***Official*** Australia in Ireland and England 2015 (limited overs)

[CaptainGrumpy]

Who'd have thought that?

You look at scorecards, remove the good ones and then someone is a bad bowler.

Or, you could, you know, watch games to make a judgement on a bowler?

I removed his debut and only test to this point which was good. Many a player had an amazing debut test to not ever repeat the said feats. I didn't think the next scorecard removed was good at all. Why did you think it was good?

But as for your "watch games" point, thats the point as much as the lack of scorecards, he has played so few games and does not have some exceptional wicket taking delivery(ies) in his armoury. The point is valid on scorecard or watching games analysis. It is too soon into his career to make claims that if he stays fit, he will be a dominant force of Australian test cricket for the next decade.

Word to the wise, pick your battles better in future Marc71178.

 

[Gnske]

I wish I could be as analytical and insightful as my fellow kiwis on this magnificent forum

Fixed.

 

[artvandalay]

Seemed like the wrong sort of pitch to have 3 tearaways in your line up.

 

[CaptainGrumpy]

Fixed.

Easily the best kiwi poster on here now.

Please never leave.

Make your mind up already.

 

[social]

As a NZ fan, I can only hope that Australia pick Pat Cummins over a fit and firing James Pattinson.

Take out Pat Cummins test debut, and that is 7 first class match for 19 wickets. His most recent effort was getting three tail end wickets after this...

Tour Match: Northamptonshire v Australians at Northampton, Aug 14-16, 2015 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

That then leaves 6 FC matches for 16 wickets. Batsmen around the world are trembling.

Pat Cummins could one day become a great bowler. He has pace. He can do something with that. He had a fantastic test debut match. But I still think its far too soon in his career with too few matches played by him with a reasonably ordinary technique and no "lethal" deliveries meaning an ordinary amount of wickets taken results with the red ball to lay claim that he will be a special bowler for the next decade for Australia, even if fit. Pat does not even have a Mendis or Mustifazr "special" delivery to get behind the hype from. Maybe he could learn discipline to bowl effectively in the channel to get wickets at a cheap price. But its so many maybes.

I genuinely believe that most batsmen would rather face Pat Cummins with a red ball than James Pattinson.

Firstly, I am on record here as a massive Patto fanboi - IF he's fit, select him

Secondly, there is literally nothing to recommend Cummins for selection other than the speed gun and gut feel but that is enough for me & virtually every expert in world cricket - the guy is 5-10 ks quicker than anyone in the world and that is huge

If you seriously think that any batsman in world cricket is looking forward to facing a 6' 5" guy bowling mid- high 150s then you are kidding yourself (especially WRT to Kiwis who are not renowned players of pace)

As we are starting from ground zero and IF they are both fit then they are the first 2 quicks picked IMO

 

[CaptainGrumpy]

Firstly, I am on record here as a massive Patto fanboi - IF he's fit, select him

Secondly, there is literally nothing to recommend Cummins for selection other than the speed gun and gut feel but that is enough for me & virtually every expert in world cricket - the guy is 5-10 ks quicker than anyone in the world and that is huge

Is he quicker than

Atul Sharma?
​

 

[Gnske]

Make your mind up already.

Although that was laden with sarcasm, that was when you had youthful spunk and were your own man.

Where did it all go so wrong, when did you decide that contributing to conversations was somehow a good thing?

 

[CaptainGrumpy]

Although that was laden with sarcasm, that was when you had youthful spunk and were your own man.

Where did it all go so wrong, when did you decide that contributing to conversations was somehow a good thing?

That is what I am saying could happen to Pat Cummins. Its like assessing a forum user after 8 posts over 5 years - where one of them was a witty riposte to a highly regarded forum member.

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

Is he quicker than

Atul Sharma?
​

Damn Ponty will now hunt you forever

 

[The Battlers Prince]

The Pat & Patto lineup with Sidds or Faulkner as a back sounds similar to the Lillee, Thomson, Tangles attack of the 70's, not that Cummins is THAT fast but with backup bowlers he can keep his pace up.
This is all after Johnson retired of course

 

[Spikey]

just cant believe england beat australia without the Great Ones, alex hales or ben stokes doing anything

 

[weldone]

just cant believe england beat australia without the Great Ones, alex hales or ben stokes doing anything

Warner, Watson, Johnson, Hazlewood, Faulkner, Coulter-Nile missing for Australia must count for something

 

[weldone]

Coming to Australia's batting lineup, Maxwell is not a no. 5 (unless the 3rd wicket goes down after 35 overs). He's a number 6. Mitch Marsh should play at 5 imo.

 

[Zinzan]

Great effort from England, be awesome for us neutrals if they can level things up on Friday.

 

[CaptainGrumpy]

Coming to Australia's batting lineup, Maxwell is not a no. 5 (unless the 3rd wicket goes down after 35 overs). He's a number 6. Mitch Marsh should play at 5 imo.

He's the big show. Not the less than 15 overs show.

I prefer the thinking and rationale that has him at 5.

Mitch Marsh is barely in the team. Watto has to be ahead of him in ODI still.

 

[social]

The Pat & Patto lineup with Sidds or Faulkner as a back sounds similar to the Lillee, Thomson, Tangles attack of the 70's, not that Cummins is THAT fast but with backup bowlers he can keep his pace up.
This is all after Johnson retired of course

156 is not that fast?

You must play in a serious competition because that is waaaaay quicker than Lillee was for virtually his entire career

Agree with Faulkner though

Sick of hearing about how he isn't quick enough as his teams have won everything at every level with one common denominator - he was the best player

 

[weldone]

Mitch Marsh is barely in the team. Watto has to be ahead of him in ODI still.

I was talking about the remaining 2 matches.

 

[CaptainGrumpy]

Agree with Faulkner though

Sick of hearing about how he isn't quick enough as his teams have won everything at every level with one common denominator - he was the best player

I agree with this. Faulkner should be batting 8 in the Australian test team.

 

[Gnske]

He's the big show. Not the less than 15 overs show.

I prefer the thinking and rationale that has him at 5.

Mitch Marsh is barely in the team. Watto has to be ahead of him in ODI still.

At least Watto can get out LBW with utter class, Marsh's dismissal was just so village, not to mention he contributes nothing in the meme player department.

Just a pity Marsh can actually and seems to enjoy bowling despite his tripe and still developing batting, otherwise Watson would should easily be the seam all-rounder when Faulkner isn't around (even if his batting is the epitome of gimmicky hipswing)

 

[social]

I agree with this. Faulkner should be batting 8 in the Australian test team.

He is exactly the type of player we need right now - dependable and competitive