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**Official** Pakistan and England in the UAE 2015/16

marc71178

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
As a specialist bat I'm not so sure to be honest. Someone like James Taylor should be ahead of him if he's not bowling.
 
hendrix

hendrix

Hall of Fame Member
marc71178 said:
As a specialist bat I'm not so sure to be honest. Someone like James Taylor should be ahead of him if he's not bowling.
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Taylor should be in the team anyway though. Should at least be ahead of Ballance and Bairstow in the pecking order, IMO.
 
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Prince EWS

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
marc71178 said:
As a specialist bat I'm not so sure to be honest. Someone like James Taylor should be ahead of him if he's not bowling.
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This might be true but with Bell contemplating retirement and Bairstow currently in the team, being worse than Taylor within itself doesn't disqualify him for being one of the best six batsmen.

I basically agree with you that if Moeen is going to open, Stokes needs to either command a spot based on batting alone or his bowling alone, but I think he might just do so anyway. Taylor's an interesting option but I wouldn't leave Stokes out for Bairstow or Ballance right now which is what you're looking at.
 
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CaptainGrumpy

Banned
Prince EWS said:
I basically agree with you that if Moeen is going to open, Stokes needs to either command a spot based on batting alone or his bowling alone, but I think he might just do so anyway. Taylor's an interesting option but I wouldn't leave Stokes out for Bairstow or Ballance right now which is what you're looking at.
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You're normally bright. But this post is illogical.

It assumes that whoever bats in the #8 spot will be a bowler or a bowling allrounder, and not a batsman.

Stokes is presently in the team. So is Ali. Ali has been batting 8. By moving Ali to bat at 2 or 1 from #8, does not necessitate that he is replaced by another bowling allrounder or bowler.

For instance Butler could bat at 8 (or a specialist batsman even like Bairstow or Taylor) and then with Moeen moving to opener, whoever leaves from the current team [presumably Lyth] could actually be replaced by a batsman.

Basically whether Moeen bats 8 or 1 and 2 is independant from whether Stokes pays 6 as a specialist or an allrounder.

You're smarter than this PEWS.
 
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CaptainGrumpy

Banned
Prince EWS said:
Yeah that's because it's obvious Rashid will be the one coming in.
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Obvious? England already play 3 bowlers and 2 all rounders wtih Broadn, Anderson Finn/Wood, Stokes and Ali.

You think FInn or Wood are certainties and 6 bowlers will play (incl Stokes, Ali and Rashid)? I do not think that is obvious. It is possibly arguable.

The stronger argument is: If Ali opens as an allrounder, Stokes is under pressure from Rashid unless you think England will play Stokes, Rashid, Ali, Finnn or Wood, Broad and Anderson.
 
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hendrix

hendrix

Hall of Fame Member
CaptainGrumpy said:
Obvious? England already play 3 bowlers and 2 all rounders wtih Broadn, Anderson Finn/Wood, Stokes and Ali.

You think FInn or Wood are certainties and 6 bowlers will play (incl Stokes, Ali and Rashid)? I do not think that is obvious. It is possibly arguable.

If Ali opens as an allrounder, Stokes is under pressure from Rashid.
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No, he's saying that Rashid is either replacing Moeen (in which case he bats 8) or an opener (in which case he bats 8 and Moeen opens). Either way, Rashid is batting 8.
 
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CaptainGrumpy

Banned
hendrix said:
No, he's saying that Rashid is either replacing Moeen (in which case he bats 8) or an opener (in which case he bats 8 and Moeen opens). Either way, Rashid is batting 8.
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If Moeen is in the team as a opener (from previously batting number 8), how could he ever be replaced in the team by Rashid?

Be logical.
 
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Prince EWS

Prince EWS

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CaptainGrumpy said:
You think FInn or Wood are certainties and 6 bowlers will play (incl Stokes, Ali and Rashid)? I do not think that is obvious. It is possibly arguable.
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I don't think that, necessarily. I think it's possible that Stokes could be left out, or both Wood and Finn could be left out. That was basically the entire point of my post -- if Moeen opens (and Rashid comes in, which I was assuming), then Stokes doesn't add much extra balance and would need to justify his spot on batting alone or bowling alone because #6 becomes a specialist batting position in that hypothetical.
 
hendrix

hendrix

Hall of Fame Member
Don't worry about it, we can make another addition to the block list. Nice knowing you CG, take care.
 
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CaptainGrumpy

Banned
Well a lot of my posts have have little red marks from yourself. I thought they were publicly visible and not private. My apologies if not. Did Hendrix receive an infraction for his last post?

By the way. that latest OveratedSanity infraction you gave me missed banter between myself and him. He teases me about my zealous use of the edit functionality. We actually share good humour about that.
 
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