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He was no Quinton Fortune.
Gary Bailey was a Saffie by birth IIRC
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Edit: He wasn't, just grew up there. Nevermind.
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*Official* English Football Season 2015-16
- Thread starter Furball
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Gary Bailey was a Saffie by birth IIRC
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Edit: He wasn't, just grew up there. Nevermind.
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
He's no Ricky Lambert or Dejan Lovren I agree.
Ikki
Hall of Fame Member
De Bruyne will probably/should play on the right.
Tangles
International Vice-Captain
Fergie was going to sell him. He was usually right about when players had peaked. Moyes ****ed it up though.
dontcloseyoureyes
BARNES OUT
Move KDB to the right and you've got it.
LongHopCassidy
International Captain
Almighty lol at all the United ingrates dissing Rooney.
The overpaid granny-shagger would moonwalk into any Premier League side and probably Bayern, PSG and the Newcastle Jets. All the apocalyptic weeping about his goal dropoff? He hasn't played as a proper 9 since 2011-12. His return then? 34 goals. It's hard to pad out your goal tally when you have Fergie telling you to lay it off to Van Persie, Moyes telling you to carry the side and The Thumb With Hair yanking you into central midfield to take 50-yard potshots at Fellaini's head. He needs time (i.e. more than 3 games) to re-learn how to poach and when he does he'll be a goal-machine again. Even Messi is a fan.
What I wouldn't give to have him at White Hart Lane. Decent cover for the HurriKane.
The overpaid granny-shagger would moonwalk into any Premier League side and probably Bayern, PSG and the Newcastle Jets. All the apocalyptic weeping about his goal dropoff? He hasn't played as a proper 9 since 2011-12. His return then? 34 goals. It's hard to pad out your goal tally when you have Fergie telling you to lay it off to Van Persie, Moyes telling you to carry the side and The Thumb With Hair yanking you into central midfield to take 50-yard potshots at Fellaini's head. He needs time (i.e. more than 3 games) to re-learn how to poach and when he does he'll be a goal-machine again. Even Messi is a fan.
What I wouldn't give to have him at White Hart Lane. Decent cover for the HurriKane.
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LongHopCassidy
International Captain
By all accounts he habitually loses the dressing-room by late 2nd/early 3rd season. Never did tweak his philosophy to not be a ****.
sledger
Spanish_Vicente
He wouldn't though.
LongHopCassidy
International Captain
Nuh-uh. Could start on the right for City, number 10 for Chelsea and centre-back at Arsenal.
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"Being played out of position" is an interesting choice of excuse. I don't recall any other over-the-hill superstars having that option available to them. A history of personal problems can be a useful asset here- Stan Collymore was able bring "just needs to sort out his off-field problems" into play. Michael Owen showed how a chequered injury record can be spun into "if he only gets back to full fitness...", giving him just enough credit to reach the status of "a gamble, but a gamble worth taking". If the player is grumpy enough like Berbatov he can go with "needs an arm round his shoulder", an excuse generally followed by a move to whoever Harry Redknapp is managing. The unlucky ones like Torres or Shevchenko are forced to rely on "lacking in confidence", and the closely related "just needs one to go in off his arse".
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
Don't understand why you would reply with this. Because Man U aren't going to offer Rooney to Leicester or Watford, or well anyone, so it's clearly a hypothetical situation. I also said on footballing reasons. His wages are irrelevant. You might as well mention that he wouldn't want to sign for any other club in the Prem, save maybe City, Chelsea (both of whom I named as 'except for...') and Everton.
As a footballer, there are seventeen clubs in the Premier League whose squads would benefit from having him.
I'd also dispute he's been crap since 2012. Pretty sure this same discussion happens every year when he has a few bad games, and then he has a lot of very good ones.
I mean he'a a bluenosed manc piece of **** so what do I care, but he's definitely getting the Gerrard treatment, now old Stevie G has departed the Prem.
Not in the absolute top echelon, but been a very good player for club & country for a very long time, and is 29 not 33. Granted, his 29 is a bit older in footballing terms than most given he debuted young, but to suggest he's finished is laughable. IMHO
Ikki
Hall of Fame Member
Debatable. He'd want to play forward or behind the forward. I think we have as good or better options, younger and less costly. It's not like he'd agree to sit on the bench.
I actually really rate Rooney and tend to think he's still gonna do well at United; but it is coming to the point where you do start to doubt if he gets his **** together consistently enough to want to build a team around him. In the last few seasons he's tended to blow really hot and cold which is probably why he ends up with a decent scoring/assist record but leaves a lingering feeling that he didn't contribute enough in many games.
Expect him to now have a 20+ league goal scoring record
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I'd have said it's more of a John Barnes type of situation. You look at the media coverage and think, ****ing hell, how can't they see how few clothes the emperor has on?
The fact that he's always gone through peaks and troughs shouldn't mask a more general decline. With each passing season his worst becomes worse and his best becomes less impressive.
I think almost all strikers are well past their peak at 29. Would argue they tend to peak at around 24. Of the strikers I mentioned above, Falcao is 29 now, Torres joined Chelsea at 26, Shevchenko joined Chelsea at 28, Owen joined Newcastle at 25, Collymore left Liverpool at 26. Berbatov is the only one who arguably had a peak at around 29, even then I would argue he peaked at Spurs or Leverkusen. You get some strikers still playing well at the top level at 29, but they're the exception.
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GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
Yeah but again, whether or not he'd start, you'd definitely take him into your squad. As I say this is hypothetical so him sitting on the bench or what is irrelevant.Debatable. He'd want to play forward or behind the forward. I think we have as good or better options, younger and less costly. It's not like he'd agree to sit on the bench.
I actually really rate Rooney and tend to think he's still gonna do well at United; but it is coming to the point where you do start to doubt if he gets his **** together consistently enough to want to build a team around him. In the last few seasons he's tended to blow really hot and cold which is probably why he ends up with a decent scoring/assist record but leaves a lingering feeling that he didn't contribute enough in many games.
Expect him to now have a 20+ league goal scoring record
GIMH
Norwood's on Fire
Well fair enough, and obviously you watch him play more than I do. Though the media coverage seems to match the perception in here as far as I can tell, but take your point nonetheless.
It's a fair point on strikers. I didn't mean to imply he was at his peak but more that 29 isn't an age at which they are normally finished. But the examples you've given stack up. I guess growing up watching John Aldridge kind of skews a perception in that way (and to be fair watching lower leagues in general, where players in their late 20s are more likely to be the top guy).