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*Official* Fourth Test at Trent Bridge

GIMH

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Howe_zat said:
7.27 is the record, set here by SL against Bangladesh. England need 437 this innings to beat it
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Think he meant for one team, rather than the difference between the two sides

Pakistan in the 3rd Test against us in 2012 scored 99 in the first, only to put on a huge score second time round. Not 8 times better, but significant.
 
Hurricane

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I don't really get it. Flem said he thinks Smith is more a number 4 and you are saying Flem would pick March there. I think I need a beer to catch up to you guys.
 
Black_Warrior

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Flem274* said:
smith

**** knows on #3. burns possibly.

shaun marsh shouldn't be higher than #5. wildly inconsistent pretty boys (in how he bats not what he looks like) don't get responsibility in the top four.
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Sorry I meant who would be your number 3 if Smith is 4 ?
 
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Black_Warrior said:
Not to mention spin bowling in Asian conditions.

This Australian team seems to have this notion of 'aggression and flare' where you try to force your way out of trouble. This sort of approach, is not entirely without merit, this is the same approach that Lehmann was applauded for, this is the approach Warne keeps harping on about. .
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See, I'd be surprised if any unthinking aggression comes from Lehmann. Boof the bat was excellent when the ball was moving, rock solid in defence and well able to dial right back when conditions demanded it. Faced plenty of them for Yorkshire and when he coached QLD there weren't many dashers on humid Brisbane mornings.

I'm pinning it on Clarke. His comments overnight about the ball that got him defy belief although, let's face it, wasn't the first time he's done it.
 
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Howe_zat

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But as people have pointed out he's played some of the best innings I can remember against seam bowling using the same mindset. He's just in the kind of form where he could nick a beach ball
 
flibbertyjibber

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See, I'd be surprised if any unthinking aggression comes from Lehmann. Boof the bat was excellent when the ball was moving, rock solid in defence and well able to dial right back when conditions demanded it. Faced plenty of them for Yorkshire and when he coached QLD there weren't many dashers on humid Brisbane mornings.

I'm pinning it on Clarke. His comments overnight about the ball that got him defy belief although, let's face it, wasn't the first time he's done it.
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Seems a case of muddled thinking to me, players not sure whether to follow captain or coach and getting stuck in between. Adds to the no smoke without fire about Lehman and Clarke not getting on.
 
vic_orthdox

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Dan said:
"Sooner or later a ball will have my name on it or I'll be stranded. May as well be on a risky 30 when than happens rather than an utterly useless 5"

It didn't come off and the ball he chose to hit was obviously very poor, but controlled hyperaggression in that situation is a passable strategy option IMO. It comes off, you get the team up to 100 and things are slightly-less-pathetic. It doesn't, and you end up bowled out for around the same amount as if you'd pissed around for 20 minutes doing your best not to nick one before inevitably nicking one (in which time two other batsmen have also got out).

There's no use Australia pretending they could come back from 5/21 to make a meaningful score, on that deck, with Broad bowling as he was. They simply aren't good enough to do that. May as well score as many as you can before the inevitable happens.
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There's something to this, but really, Broad had settled in on a super length. Did he even bowl a sniff in his whole spell? There's merit in the idea that when you get the one bad ball he bowls, you have to be all over it and put the heat back on him.
 
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Howe_zat said:
But as people have pointed out he's played some of the best innings I can remember against seam bowling using the same mindset. He's just in the kind of form where he could nick a beach ball
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I'm more referring to his influence on the team approach than Clarke alone.

That said, he's also been made to look rank against the moving ball, good form or no. Bloke's an enigma.
 
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ajdude

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as much as i hate to say it (i don't really hate to say it but i feel like i have to i dunno) some of these england blokes seem decent. broad's a pisser, his little thumbs up with root got me
 
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