Any updates on NZ's tour of Oz later this year?

[CaptainGrumpy]

nz will get flogged 3-0 i think.

as for corey, he reminds me a fair bit of jaques kallis. his batting is not as good as jaques's at the moment but will be in time while he is already a far superior bowler.

Jacques retired from test cricket 2 years ago. I wouldn't be using his at the moment performances as criteria for a current test player.

Its like the old Bradman joke about if he was batting on covered pitches of the present day and what he would average. He said 50. The reporter was amazed and said, 50, thats less than your average on uncovered pitches. Bradman replies, yes but I'm nearly 70.

In saying that, Kallis is not having a bad CPL T20 with the ball.

 

[Skyliner]

nz will get flogged 3-0 i think.

Franklin says some things Whitey isn't ready to hear.

 

[kiwiviktor81]

I give us a 30% chance of winning the series, Aussie 50%, draw 20%.

 

[cnerd123]

Jacques retired from test cricket 2 years ago. I wouldn't be using his at the moment performances as criteria for a current test player.

Its like the old Bradman joke about if he was batting on covered pitches of the present day and what he would average. He said 50. The reporter was amazed and said, 50, thats less than your average on uncovered pitches. Bradman replies, yes but I'm nearly 70.

In saying that, Kallis is not having a bad CPL T20 with the ball.

Clearly he meant Corey's batting at the moment isn't as good as Kallis. Not Kallis at the moment; Kallis in general.

 

[CaptainGrumpy]

Clearly he meant Corey's batting at the moment isn't as good as Kallis. Not Kallis at the moment; Kallis in general.

Now take a deep breath. Sit back and read the posts again. And tell me what iota of difference that makes to the joke reply.

And then ask yourself, would anyone ever seriously suggest that Corey Anderson could one day usurp or equal Kallis as a test batsman in general in the future. Other than yourself just now.

 

[Hurricane]

The fierce selection debate just shows that we do have a lot of players in contention, a lot of potential permutations and formulas for success.
Its a very healthy state that NC cricket finds itself in, and as long as our bona fide stars go into the series fit and firing on all cylinders, I have full confidence that the supporting cast will give a very good account of themselves.

Australia

Premier Players
Warner (grudgingly on the list)
Smith
Clarke
Johnson
Harris (if he plays)

Strong performers
Rogers (if he plays to Grumpy's point)
Lyon
Haddin (if he plays)
Insert 3 seamer whoever it is Pattison, Starc, Hazelwood - they will be good.

That gives Australia 9 very strong players - with only Watson and Voges falling into the tag support cast

New Zealand

Premier Players
Kane
Ross
Trent & Tim

Strong Performers
Brendon
Watling

We have 6 Outstanding players - with our other 5 players probably counting as support cast.

Advantage Australia.

Especially with the opening batsman.

 

[Gob]

Now take a deep breath. Sit back and read the posts again. And tell me what iota of difference that makes to the joke reply.

And then ask yourself, would anyone ever suggest that Corey Anderson could one day usurp or equal Kallis as a batsman in general in the future. Other than yourself just now.

what makes you think that he won't?

 

[CaptainGrumpy]

I don't know Hurricane. I think Mr Watling deserves to be touted as a premier player these days if Ross is on the list.

I also think if we are to win it, that Mr McCullum will need to be a major factor in the onslaught ala India, Sri Lanka and Pakistan.

Be nice for Latham to be thought of soon as a "strong performer". But I freely admit that he isn't there yet.

 

[CaptainGrumpy]

what makes you think that he won't?

Oh I'm sure he will equal Jacues as a general batsman in the future both careers moving forward. Probably when Jacques is 45. But the Corey Anderson of the future will not match the general batsman Jacques Kallis of the years preceding 2012.

 

[Gob]

jacques after 11 tests

405 runs @ 23.82

corey after 11 tests

533 runs @ 31.35

 

[Gob]

gets even worse for jacques with the ball

19 wickets at 65.32

 

[Hurricane]

I don't know Hurricane. I think Mr Watling deserves to be touted as a premier player these days if Ross is on the list.

I also think if we are to win it, that Mr McCullum will need to be a major factor in the onslaught ala India, Sri Lanka and Pakistan.

Be nice for Latham to be thought of soon as a "strong performer". But I freely admit that he isn't there yet.

Their Premier players are better than our premier players overall. All of theirs would arguably make a world XI at the moment. Most of our premier players would be in a World 2nd XI. So that is another advantage to Australia.

Our "strong performers" Brendon and Watling are better than the quality of their strong performers. Your point about Watling is an interesting one, who are the better wicket keepers in the world than him atm. I think I would rather have him over Haddin, and Buttler atm.

 

[CaptainGrumpy]

Their Premier players are better than our premier players overall. All of theirs would arguably make a world XI at the moment. Most of our premier players would be in a World 2nd XI. So that is another advantage to Australia.

Our "strong performers" Brendon and Watling are better than the quality of their strong performers. Your point about Watling is an interesting one, who are the better wicket keepers in the world than him atm. I think I would rather have him over Haddin, and Buttler atm.

Bizarrely, the 2014 ICC test team was keeperless, but the odi team had Dhoni listed as a keeper. But in 2013, Dhoni was in the test team as a keeper when he scored one century (a double against Australia and no other scores over 50). Quite bizarre.

in 2012 - it was Prior, in 2011 it was farcically Kumar Sangakarra who had not kept in a test 3 years at that stage and that one test was his sole test in 5 years. In 2010 it was Dhoni with Sanga playing as a batsman.

 

[Gob]

pretty sure rad wont be around for this series or watson for that matter. the aust team for gabba would look something like

D Warner
S Marsh
S Smith
M Clarke
A Voges
M Marsh
P Neville
M Johnson
M Starc
J Hazlewood
N Lyon

 

[Skyliner]

Australia

Premier Players
Warner (grudgingly on the list)
Smith
Clarke
Johnson
Harris (if he plays)

Strong performers
Rogers (if he plays to Grumpy's point)
Lyon
Haddin (if he plays)
Insert 3 seamer whoever it is Pattison, Starc, Hazelwood - they will be good.

That gives Australia 9 very strong players - with only Watson and Voges falling into the tag support cast

New Zealand

Premier Players
Kane
Ross
Trent & Tim

Strong Performers
Brendon
Watling

We have 6 Outstanding players - with our other 5 players probably counting as support cast.

Advantage Australia.

Especially with the opening batsman.

Rogers is retiring after the Ashes, Haddin is a spent force and could retire after the Ashes, Johnson has been off the boil and has been rocks or diamonds alternately throughout his career, Clarkes back may very well give out, Harris is almost literally on his last legs.
What I am saying is the picture could be diametrically different post Ashes, whereas we have light duties and players recovering - a proper assessment of the comparative likely line-ups of both teams should take place after the Ashes concludes.

 

[CaptainGrumpy]

jacques after 11 tests

405 runs @ 23.82

corey after 11 tests

533 runs @ 31.35

What was Jacques putting out at FC level?

 

[Gob]

What was Jacques putting out at FC level?

3645 @ 36.32 with 8 hundreds.

btw i give a greater weight for test performences

 

[Flem274*]

absolutely blockheaded.

hahahahahaha hhahaha

I think Corey is a far superior batting prospect than Oram ever was in red ball stuff. It's #6 FFS. They aren't in the team to score difficult runs.

I know you irrationally don't rate Oram but I do think Corey J has a better basic stance than Oram. Oram was just ridiculously good with his hand eye and his decisions to fast bowling and to spinners not called Murali. Once his eye started going in his early thirties though it was all over because he didn't have the technique to save him.

Even aiming for 40-50 is an unrealistic goal. If he can average 35 I will be well pleased. What's Brendon's average anyway.

I'm taking this in isolation and this is one thing I really dislike about your hopes and goals for players - they're always so middling.

 

[CaptainGrumpy]

3645 @ 36.32 with 8 hundreds.

Well then there's a good chance that Corey may equal Kallis as you say.

Want to make a wager?

 

[Skyliner]

pretty sure rad wont be around for this series or watson for that matter. the aust team for gabba would look something like

D Warner
S Marsh
S Smith
M Clarke
A Voges
M Marsh
P Neville
M Johnson
M Starc
J Hazlewood
N Lyon

I see a certain J Ryder took Nevill's wicket the other day.