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*Official* Pro-Wrestling Thread II

OverratedSanity

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In fairness I forgot they had that rematch.

I don't like triple threats, or whatever, main eventing Mania though. Personal preference.
That I can definitely agree with. I don't like Triple threats either. Somehow feel something called a "main event" should be 1v1.

Which brings me to

Well I've said never doing Cena-Taker at Mania (or in any format since Cena became a star) is a big miss by WWE. I've said it almost as many times as Jono has said he stopped watching wrestling in 2006
Then surely you agree with me that Cena vs Punk in the WM main event was almost as big a miss? Those two had such unbelievable chemistry, and the match they had on Raw just before WM 29 was wrestlemania worthy. They would've torn the roof off the place.
 

OverratedSanity

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In fairness I forgot they had that rematch.

I don't like triple threats, or whatever, main eventing Mania though. Personal preference.
Thoughts on Shawn forcing his way vs. Trips and thou who shall not be named in WM 20? Remember a lot of pissed off people at the time.
It's funny thinking about that era because I was a kid and everything was absolutely real to me. Feels weird thinking about smarks in the attitude era. I actually read a great post on reddit a while back which had screenshots of old wrestling forums filled with people complaining about how Rocky Maivia didn't deserve his push, then enjoying the hell out of Nation Rock and reserving particular praise for how hilarious the People's elbow was. :laugh:
 

Agent TBY

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Thoughts on Shawn forcing his way vs. Trips and thou who shall not be named in WM 20? Remember a lot of pissed off people at the time.
I think the moment at the end of that WM has blinded people to the sheer stupidity of that storyline.

The whole buildup to the Rumble was centered around how Heyman's clique was never going to give Benoit a title shot, which on its own is fine because that storyline's been done plenty of times before and will be in the future, but then why'd he jump to Raw? Shawn Michaels the character had every right to be peeved with him; he and Trips did indeed have unfinished business with their two-year feud, and really, what the **** was he even doing there?
 

OverratedSanity

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I think the moment at the end of that WM has blinded people to the sheer stupidity of that storyline.

The whole buildup to the Rumble was centered around how Heyman's clique was never going to give Benoit a title shot, which on its own is fine because that storyline's been done plenty of times before and will be in the future, but then why'd he jump to Raw? Shawn Michaels the character had every right to be peeved with him; he and Trips did indeed have unfinished business with their two-year feud, and really, what the **** was he even doing there?
These are questions you don't have to ask... because..

 

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To go way back,

Mania is about making money not being nice to the wrestlers though.

I mean the whole once in a lifetime thing sure, but Cena really needed that win back (IMO)
To me, it just comes off as nothing more than a square up, and I'm sure no-one at the time actually thought the rock was gonna double up. It would have been like a two falls out of three match actually finishing at the second fall (aka, unthinkable). So does it really do anything for Cena's legacy? Getting a victory over probably the biggest superstar in WWE history at WM is great for the legend. Except he lost the important one and got a gimmie a year later to make up for it. Meh. If the rock was cool with losing, and taking it a piledriver, he could have just lost to the undertaker instead! which probably would have created better sales anyway. then Punk might get his headline and Cena probably gets the win anyway. everyone wins.

i really don't like the trend, which i associate with cena but probably occurred with every legend, of losing the first match, and then getting immediate rematches and killing it in those. Is it like some underdog trope or something? it's boring
 
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sledger

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That I can definitely agree with. I don't like Triple threats either. Somehow feel something called a "main event" should be 1v1.

Which brings me to



Then surely you agree with me that Cena vs Punk in the WM main event was almost as big a miss? Those two had such unbelievable chemistry, and the match they had on Raw just before WM 29 was wrestlemania worthy. They would've torn the roof off the place.
Had been done to death throughout the year leading up to that point I guess. Not that HHH v HBK at WMXX hadn't, but still.
 

GIMH

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Thoughts on Shawn forcing his way vs. Trips and thou who shall not be named in WM 20? Remember a lot of pissed off people at the time.
It was a great match but, well, see Srizza's post actually. To be clear (and I'm not suggesting you've accused me of this) it's not that I don't like triple threats I just don't see them as Mania main events. When you give a wrestler their big moment, be they a child-killing murderer or Daniel Bryan, they should beat the champ one on one.
 

GIMH

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It's funny thinking about that era because I was a kid and everything was absolutely real to me. Feels weird thinking about smarks in the attitude era. I actually read a great post on reddit a while back which had screenshots of old wrestling forums filled with people complaining about how Rocky Maivia didn't deserve his push, then enjoying the hell out of Nation Rock and reserving particular praise for how hilarious the People's elbow was. :laugh:
I first engaged the IWC in 2000, they hated Rock as much as they hate Cena now. Idiots.

That I can definitely agree with. I don't like Triple threats either. Somehow feel something called a "main event" should be 1v1.

Which brings me to



Then surely you agree with me that Cena vs Punk in the WM main event was almost as big a miss? Those two had such unbelievable chemistry, and the match they had on Raw just before WM 29 was wrestlemania worthy. They would've torn the roof off the place.
Hmm maybe but the big miss that came about through Rock V Cena (be it 1 or 2) was Cena V Taker. I've said this as many times as Jono has said he hasn't watched wrestling since 2006

To go way back,



To me, it just comes off as nothing more than a square up, and I'm sure no-one at the time actually thought the rock was gonna double up. It would have been like a two falls out of three match actually finishing at the second fall (aka, unthinkable). So does it really do anything for Cena's legacy? Getting a victory over probably the biggest superstar in WWE history at WM is great for the legend. Except he lost the important one and got a gimmie a year later to make up for it. Meh. If the rock was cool with losing, and taking it a piledriver, he could have just lost to the undertaker instead! which probably would have created better sales anyway. then Punk might get his headline and Cena probably gets the win anyway. everyone wins.

i really don't like the trend, which i associate with cena but probably occurred with every legend, of losing the first match, and then getting immediate rematches and killing it in those. Is it like some underdog trope or something? it's boring
Except Rock V Taker has happened many times and for some unknown reason has always been **** (that's four filter stars not Meltzer ones)
 

sledger

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Best match they had was that triple threat with Kurt Angle.

Edit: Which, as an aside, is probably one of the best triple threat matches ever.
 

sledger

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It was a great match but, well, see Srizza's post actually. To be clear (and I'm not suggesting you've accused me of this) it's not that I don't like triple threats I just don't see them as Mania main events. When you give a wrestler their big moment, be they a child-killing murderer or Daniel Bryan, they should beat the champ one on one.
See, I agree generally, but would probably make an exception for Bryan. I thought the fact that he had to beat all of Evolution in one night, and gave each of them a beat down individually really helped him look good. From a narrative point of view it helped with the whole Yes Movement vs The Machine angle they had been running as well imo. The way the whole thing unfolded was pretty perfect imo. Honestly don't think it could have been done any better (which is ironic given the original plans for that show).
 

sledger

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Also given that Orton was a totally meh champ throughout that period, him vs anyone would have been decidedly...underwhelming imo. For a WM mainevent anyway.
 

GIMH

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Also given that Orton was a totally meh champ throughout that period, him vs anyone would have been decidedly...underwhelming imo. For a WM mainevent anyway.
Should have opened with evolution triple threat that ended with HHH winning the title by pinning Booker T, despite him not being in the match (from the effects of the pedigree at WM19, which he's still down from) and then had Bryan beat HHH for the belt
 
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