Pietersen vs Sangakkara

[G.I.Joe]

Lara amassed 600 runs in a series against us, but still lost 3-0, and that could not define the series. So what's the point on series defining knocks?

Do you realise that the only reason people even remember that series is because of Lara's performances? So yes, his performances were literally what defined the series.

 

[Daemon]

Do you realise that the only reason people even remember that series is because of Lara's performances? So yes, his performances were literally what defined the series.

But Furball wasn't referring to series defining knocks in that way. He said Sanga didn't have many knocks that were 'important' which I'm guessing means had an impact on the outcome of the match. Furball acknowledged that he had many great innings, and Lara's series would fall under that category and probably not 'important' knocks.

Not taking sides here ftr, I think there's a bit about knocks that help you win series that just feel better than brilliant innings that don't or brilliant innings when everyone else around you is ****, but to rate them higher, I don't think that's necessarily fair.

 

[Maximas]

And then there's the whole thing about 'important series' of which SL play few, if any at all

 

[Furball]

Do you realise that the only reason people even remember that series is because of Lara's performances? So yes, his performances were literally what defined the series.

Yeah Lara (and Dravid in England in 2011) are different because they're examples of one batsman consistently standing tall either against a great bowler (Lara) or against a great bowling attack* (Dravid). Again, I'm not sure Sangakkara quite has that, although I'd love someone to bring up an example that proves me wrong on this one.

*I'm going to pre-empt criticism of this point, because England's bowling performance as a collective in this series (and indeed, the 12 months prior to this series and arguably Pakistan in the UAE) was on an ATG level IMO. They just didn't/couldn't maintain it over a period of longer than that.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Yeah Lara (and Dravid in England in 2011) are different because they're examples of one batsman consistently standing tall either against a great bowler (Lara) or against a great bowling attack* (Dravid). Again, I'm not sure Sangakkara quite has that, although I'd love someone to bring up an example that proves me wrong on this one.

*I'm going to pre-empt criticism of this point, because England's bowling performance as a collective in this series (and indeed, the 12 months prior to this series and arguably Pakistan in the UAE) was on an ATG level IMO. They just didn't/couldn't maintain it over a period of longer than that.

Sanga in NZ 2006. Two hundreds on seaming pitches with Bond pretty much at his best. Got virtually zero support in both knocks.

 

[Jono]

Yeah that was a gun series. Probably the moment he turned super elite.

 

[randycricfreak]

Sanga perhaps is best batsmen against all oppositions against all attacks.How many read this,

Kartikeya Date: Which batsmen thrive against the best bowlers? | Cricket | ESPN Cricinfo

Shows why Sanga is above all the other batsmen in world cricket.His average against bowling attacks better than median is 56.3.When all the other batsmen average sub 50.Just shows how under rated Sanga is.Easily the most under rated of all time cricket.People are somewhat of envy of the way he has defined batting in modern day.He may not be match winner for you.But perhaps the best batsman of all time behind Don Bradman.

 

[randycricfreak]

This stats should be even better now,he scored a century at the Lord's mid last year.Early this year a double century in NZ

 

[Daemon]

@randy but he has not been as good as indians who are better than sri lanka always

 

[OverratedSanity]

I agree with daemons. Indians have been far better sanga bashes bangladesh sachin lara got all their runs vs bowlers of 90s and are better and they are both west indian which means they are better.

 

[harsh.ag]

Trinidad-Maharashtra bhai bhai.

 

[cnerd123]

Reporting all the above posts for engage with that guy BTW.

 

[G.I.Joe]

truths from OS, harsh and the cannibal.

West Indies, not West Lankies.

 

[G.I.Joe]

It cannot be a coincidence that the tiny plucky nations (SL, NZ) that punch above their weight are also similarly named.

Ceylon - New Ceylon

Wake up sheeple!

 

[grecian]

Steven Davies is still winning this.

 

[Furball]

Seems he's given up the gloves, will be interesting to see how he goes in OD because he's a player who should have spent a significant chunk of the last 5 years opening.

 

[Migara]

Do you realise that the only reason people even remember that series is because of Lara's performances? So yes, his performances were literally what defined the series.

No it wasn't. That's very few times both Vaas and Murali were neck and neck in wicket hunt. Even with that scores, it was a utter drubbing for the WI. The matches were not even close. The series defining performance came from Vaas, who took 26 wickets on so called "flat" / "dustbowl" wicket (which ever suits the argument).

 

[Furball]

Green seamers iirc

 

[G.I.Joe]

No it wasn't. That's very few times both Vaas and Murali were neck and neck in wicket hunt. Even with that scores, it was a utter drubbing for the WI. The matches were not even close. The series defining performance came from Vaas, who took 26 wickets on so called "flat" / "dustbowl" wicket (which ever suits the argument).

That's series winning, not series defining. There's a difference between the two. If you made a poll on whether people consider that 'Lara's series' or 'The Vaas and Murali show', which do you reckon gets more votes?

 

[Migara]

That's series winning, not series defining. There's a difference between the two. If you made a poll on whether people consider that 'Lara's series' or 'The Vaas and Murali show', which do you reckon gets more votes?

It's Vaas and Murli show because a Lara in his form of his life was not even ood enough to change the drubbing that his side has got. Put any side against Vaas and Murali on that series, and even the greatest of sides would need to fight out of their skins to save that series.. And how common for two bowlers to take 26 and 24 wickets in one series which was played on "flat" tracks?