***Official*** New Zealand Domestic Season 2014/15

[Hurricane]

Yeah when the manager's already mapped out the plan and is talking dollar figures like that, it seems a bit more calculating than with Wagner, doesn't it. Wagner being no real businessman or golfy independent contractor, more of a maniac who integrated into Otago's culture very well.

This is a very good post. Even Ronchi god bless him was motivated by the thought of international cricket even if playing for the blackcaps was personally meaningless for him also.

 

[NZTailender]

Wagner just relishes the international level and challenge, doesn't he? You can see it when he plays; he wants to be up against the best no matter what.

 

[Flem274*]

I think if Hardus keeps talking he'll never get picked for NZ. I don't see his money money money values and flouncing from South Africa so early fitting into the New Zealand "team above all else" culture.

 

[Kippax]

Well, that was Fanie talking wasn't it, the Ari Gold of the arrangement. NZC doesn't mind a bit of market-led pragmatism and abacus idolatry tbf. It certainly hates ideological Plunket Promise wetness.

 

[jcas0167]

...“He can’t qualify to play County Cricket, where you get your revenue from, unless he has played for South Africa, and Kyle Abbott, Marchant de Lange and Chris Morris are all ahead of him in line, I know how the selectors operate. So we have an appointment in New Zealand, where he can get serious opportunity with the new ball and qualify for them in four years’ time, when he is 30, and then play County Cricket and earn a million rand a year,” De Villiers said...

Domestic South African players who haven't played international cricket can't qualify for County Cricket?

If he can bowl at 150kph I would have thought he would be snapped up by an IPL franchise.

I think if Hardus keeps talking he'll never get picked for NZ. I don't see his money money money values and flouncing from South Africa so early fitting into the New Zealand "team above all else" culture.

Like joining the England tour a few days before the first test at Lords so you can earn $$$ in IPL?

 

[Dan]

Domestic South African players who haven't played international cricket can't qualify for County Cricket?

They tightened the international player regulations a few years ago, so if you haven't got international experience within a recent enough time period you can't be signed. He could presumably Kolpak it up though, if he so wished.

 

[Bahnz]

How much are SA franchise players paid? Purely on the basis that they're in a more fortuitous timezone than New Zealand, I would guess that it's more than the $70,000 (or thereabouts) that the top first class professionals in NZ make. In which case, given how nakedly cynical Fannie's language is, I have to wonder whether this is all just a bluff designed to try and spark an SA callup.

 

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[Kippax]

How much are SA franchise players paid? Purely on the basis that they're in a more fortuitous timezone than New Zealand, I would guess that it's more than the $70,000 (or thereabouts) that the top first class professionals in NZ make. In which case, given how nakedly cynical Fannie's language is, I have to wonder whether this is all just a bluff designed to try and spark an SA callup.

I doubt the Sunfoil guys earn a lot tbh, because the million rand that Fanie is talking about as being worth all this inconvenience is NZ$108,000.

 

[Kippax]

He could presumably Kolpak it up though, if he so wished.

Nah I doubt Fanie would have hatched this nefarious scheme of heading to New Zealand to jump through hoops for four years if he could.

4. ECB’s efforts to stop the influx

The England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) were concerned, and had every right to be: a domestic circuit full of Kolpak players would be detrimental towards the growth of native talent.

ECB decided to impose fines on the counties in 2005. While the usual limit of two overseas players was still applicable, a county would have to pay £85 per Kolpak player in one-day matches and £340 in the County Championship matches. It did not seem to work, so they raised the bar to £275 and £1,100 respectively in 2007.

It did not work. By 2008 there were roughly 60 Kolpak players in English domestic circuit. In 2009 ECB inflicted a new set of restrictions on Kolpak players. Since then, only those with a valid work permit for four or more years would have rights similar to EU citizens, and would thus qualify to be Kolpak players.

 

[Dan]

Ahh, so to Kolpak he'd have to actually represent South Africa first, by the sounds of things. You're not getting a valid work permit as a cricketer unless you've played a minimum amount of international cricket in the past two years. Unless you're an entrepreneur like Riki Wessels. Based on the sounds coming out of Fanie's mouth, I think he could get himself Kolpak'd that way; shame that Hardus doesn't share quite as openly in the (agri)business spirit as he does the Holy one.

 

[Kippax]

"We'd never lost against New Zealand really. They're not a team worth basically losing to, although they performed well", according to the Proteas World Cup motivator Mike Horn.

So yeah, New Zealand cricket's a mischievous little whore who's performing well, but it's still lower than a snake's ass in some South African estimations. No wonder Fanie talks so bluntly about what Hardus needs to get done down here.

 

[Kippax]

EWN - Eyewitness News ? Proteas team interference: What Mike Horn really said

 

[Flem274*]

Hahaha his tears taste so good

 

[NZTailender]

EWN - Eyewitness News ? Proteas team interference: What Mike Horn really said

'we actually won but there was an anomaly with the scorecard'

 

[Kippax]

I love how they hired a mental skills coach who would tell them to look at their last World Cup and say "it didn't happen, really". Brilliant.

 

[jcas0167]

I love how they hired a mental skills coach who would tell them to look at their last World Cup as say "it didn't happen, really". Brilliant.

That must be why he thought they'd never really lost to NZ (apart from the previous World Cup, the World Cup in SA, last series in South Africa, the warm up game before the WC started etc..). Granted, he does seem to be pretty highly regarded having also worked with Germany at the football WC and India last time. Did NZ have a mental skills person this time? I know Gary Hermannsen has been used previously.

And it wasn’t just a false belief. They, they had the team to beat Australia. And it was the final, and the final was going to be against Australia, we’d never lost against New Zealand really.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

7 WC games between the teams and NZ leads 5-2 (including 03, 07, 11, 15). Cronje is the only Saffa captain to have won against NZ in a WC (twice). Anyway the bloke is in serious denial & the stuff about having a 43 over match - I know SAf doesn't like chasing but surely they'd checked the weather forecast beforehand. Everyone expected it would rain near the end of the 1st innings

 

[SteveNZ]

I think the 43-over stuff is a reasonably fair assessment, NZ weather is hardly something you stick the house and the boat on. If it rained an hour or two later, we're chasing a much loftier target. But then on the flip side, their complete inability to chase meant they had to roll the dice.

Mental coaches are paid to erase bad memories so convincing them 2011 didn't exist is pretty standard behaviour. I don't think they choked, although they did field like a bunch of gimps.

 

[Flem274*]

If you can't defend 300 in 43 overs then you're not going to beat Australia in a World Cup final. Sorry.

Blokes like this Horn hack are what hold very good teams back. This alternate reality and history revision does South Africa no favours.