4th Quarter Final - New Zealand v West Indies (21st March)

[OverratedSanity]

The whole balance thing is really setting me off because it's just the opposite of our whole WC campaign so far. We've been rolling teams low and had a low scoring thriller on a flat pitch against Australia. Big scores like this are not common in AU/NZ. It swings here and the boundaries are so long there.

Good god, I've made it a point to mention how brilliant NZ have been in literally every post I've made so far and yet you take myy points about the bats and field restrictions to somehow mean they're undermining NZ ffs.

I'm talking about a general trend in ODI cricket where scores have absolutely exploded through the roof. Not talking about this match in particular, but if you think 4 double hundreds being scored in 2 years and the fastest hundred record being broken twice in 2 years after a gap of almost 2 decades has nothing to do with the bats and field restrictions I have no idea what to say.

 

[BigBrother]

Debate on bat size needs to move on - just like the game of cricket has | Russell Jackson | Sport | The Guardian

Pitches, fielding restrictions, and 2 new balls are the problem the way I see it.

 

[Antihippy]

I personally believe it's the T20 game changing how the modern batsman structures their innings. Build for 30-35 launch for 15-20.

All the teams that are scoring big bat this way. And all Englands that are England bat their own way.

Having one less outfielder makes it much easier for batsmen to hit over the infield into the gaps though. You can't say the fielding restrictions haven't helped them.

 

[Athlai]

Yeah, but Rohit Sharma scored a 200 against this attack and we all know he only pummels ****ty attacks. Now, this is till one of the greatest moments in the history of ODIs without doubt. But, come on, a little perspective please?

And Rohit Sharma's innings is due to the way the modern game is played as well. This is by no means a great ODI attack but Rohits and moreso Guptills innings should not be dismissed as being something we should just expect because of big bats and the game being unfair.

 

[OverratedSanity]

I personally believe it's the T20 game changing how the modern batsman structures their innings. Build for 30-35 launch for 15-20.

All the teams that are scoring big bat this way. And all Englands that are England bat their own way.

Yeah, and theyre able to do that because they know that going absolutely bonkers in the last 15 yields much bigger returns than it would've done a decade ago.

 

[Athlai]

Good god, I've made it a point to mention how brilliant NZ have been in literally every post I've made so far and yet you take myy points about the bats and field restrictions to somehow mean they're undermining NZ ffs.

I'm talking about a general trend in ODI cricket where scores have absolutely exploded through the roof. Not talking about this match in particular, but if you think 4 double hundreds being scored in 2 years and the fastest hundred record being broken twice in 2 years after a gap of almost 2 decades has nothing to do with the bats and field restrictions I have no idea what to say.

Wasn't referring to you at all. Was referring to SS.

 

[OverratedSanity]

And Rohit Sharma's innings is due to the way the modern game is played as well. This is by no means a great ODI attack but Rohits and moreso Guptills innings should not be dismissed as being something we should just expect because of big bats and the game being unfair.

We. are. not. dismissing. them. Guptill. was. sensational.

Ok thanks

 

[Primrose_D12]

Wow, had to go to work a game and I missed an absolute master class by Martin Guptill.

 

[Contra]

Just a final word on the topic, IMO its not the bats at all, having one less fielder outside the circle helps bats yes, but MOSTLY its the 2 new balls, NO reverse and VERY LITTLE spin (unless its a deck that grips) means that if you survive the first 10 on a good wicket there is very little stopping you from scoring big runs if you are good enough. Yorkers that are just angled across or straight as arrows aren't that threatening, you need for the ball to dip and the last moment for them to actually make a significant impact, otherwise its just as easy to hit.

 

[JediNudist]

For me this is what has to happen:

-all boundaries are to be pushed back as far as possible
-not limiting a size on bats per se but on edges: when edges are as wide as bat faces we'll be getting more edges going to the crowd than to the cordon
-replace pp at the start with a five over bowling pp where as many fielders as the captain desires are allowed out of the ring that has to be taken before over 30
-change to the umpires call system with reviews being given back if the decision is an umpire's call

Keep the bats sizes but no bigger.

The fielding and balls have to change . Drop the only 4 fielders outside the circle . I think it was at least 5 back in the day.
drop the two balls per innings. Only one per innings.
Mo\ve the boundaries back to the seating edge. back in the day the ball had to clear the edge of the stadium at grass to be a six . You might get some parity then.
Although with the rubbish being bowled by the windies I don't think this would have helped anyway.

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

Gayle to sky one here

 

[Antihippy]

Just a final word on the topic, IMO its not the bats at all, having one less fielder outside the circle helps bats yes, but MOSTLY its the 2 new balls, NO reverse and VERY LITTLE spin (unless its a deck that grips) means that if you survive the first 10 on a good wicket there is very little stopping you from scoring big runs if you are good enough. Yorkers that are just angled across or straight as arrows aren't that threatening, you need for the ball to dip and the last moment for them to actually make a significant impact, otherwise its just as easy to hit.

Which is actually the reason why starc has been formidable. He basically gets the dip from his height alone.

 

[OverratedSanity]

For tthe first time I'm hoping for a completely one sided blowout here. Hope Southee and Boult get 5 each and WI are bowled out for 70. Such a rubbish attitude on the field.

 

[Contra]

watching this till Gayle gets out.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Which is actually the reason why starc has been formidable. He basically gets the dip from his height alone.

Yep, this is true.

 

[Athlai]

Having one less outfielder makes it much easier for batsmen to hit over the infield into the gaps though. You can't say the fielding restrictions haven't helped them.

It definitely does help but has the balance of the game been made unfair? I'm a massive fan of two new balls and the way the current ODI game is played. No longer is the game dictated by if the one ball you get chooses to reverse or not. No longer is the game dictated by if the mandatory ball change gets any swing or not.

There is a definable structure to how the game is played and I think the balance is there. We weren't seeing Guptill edging it for 6. We weren't seeing Guptill mis-hit into the deep to benefit from one less fielder. We saw some good clean hitting after a platform was set.

Do batsman dominate the last 20 overs? Clearly. At that point of the game it's all about restricting, but they have more to gain from the first 20 than they have in my experience watching the game. Maybe I just have a different definition of balance in mind, but I really enjoy the ODI game now.

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

 

[Contra]

ripper!

 

[OverratedSanity]

Charles

Worst dismissal of the WC yet. Absolutely village.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Dravid's description of that shot was awesome

"He tried to play an inswinger through point with a quarter of a bat" Accurate

 

[SJS]

Newzealand are chasing nearly 400 to win the quarterfinal and the key points they need to tick are :-

1. Gayle to score 50+ . . . 81 % chances of success
2. A 100 run partnership : some 67 or 77 % chances of success.

There go the super-idiots from Star-sports again.

Guess how many matches (%) Kiwis loses after scoring 390+ ? and
How many Windies win after chasing 390+ ?

Guess how many idiots it takes to make a cricket expert ?