*Official* English Football Season 2014-15

[GIMH]

Yeah and that's fair enough too.

 

[sledger]

There's also a footballers are role-models argument to be made here, one feels. It's not one that I am especially interested in making, but imo there is merit to the general notion that the conduct of prominent public figures ought to/will inevitably be held to a higher standard, and subject to greater scrutiny, than that of supposedly "ordinary" people.

 

[GIMH]

Yeah but he's only smoking. It's not like kids never see their parents do that.

 

[sledger]

Some probably don't.

 

[GIMH]

Well yeah but you get my point.

It's not like he was injecting heroine into his arsecheeks or being a ched.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

People smoke everywhere, that argument doesn't hold weight imo.

 

[sledger]

I'm not entirely sure if it holds weight or not, cbf to think about it too much, but I'd go so far as to say that the argument is definitely there to be had imo.

 

[GIMH]

People smoke everywhere, that argument doesn't hold weight imo.

I guess the line of thought is

He's a footballer > he smokes > kid thinks it's okay to start smoking because he could still become a footballer

But tbf this isn't a bad example it's just a fact. Lots of footballers smoke. Didi Hamann was a 40 a day man ffs

Feel like I've wandered from my initial point. **** you all

 

[sledger]

He's a footballer > he smokes > kid thinks it's okay to start smoking because he could still become a footballer

It's not even that as much as:

He's a smoking footballer > footballers are role models > kid sees role model smoking and thinks its cool.

The fact that lots of people smoke does not take away from the fact that it's a habit that is extremely costly, both in terms of finances and your health. If adults wish to smoke then that's their prerogative so far as I'm concerned, but a lot of people consider it to be an unpleasant and undesirable thing to do, and would like to keep their children away from such things, and I don't think there is anything wrong with that.

This isn't to say that Wilshere or any other athlete necessarily cannot/should not smoke, but it does explain why it's inevitable that the conduct of these sorts of people will always be scrutinised and criticised a lot more heavily than that of others.

 

[Cabinet96]

FTR, I don't really care that much. I don't particularly like Wilshere so I might be more happy to put the boot in than if it was someone else. I'd just hope that someone who improved Arsenal heaps this season by getting a long term injury would be more intelligent than to do something that can only be detrimental to his game and that really pisses off his manager who has put huge faith in him.

 

[Uppercut]

I think you should probably be trying to sell him. He's nowhere near as good as his reputation suggests anyway, so better get rid of him before other clubs realise.

 

[sledger]

I think you should probably be trying to sell him. He's nowhere near as good as his reputation suggests anyway, so better get rid of him before other clubs realise.

Reckon the Wenger stubborness has already put paid to that possibility tbh - clearly still rates him and is determined for him to be good, damn everyone else.

Edit: Homegrown too. And although Arsenal aren't exactly short on such players these days, it'll doubtless be a factor that heavily influences any potential sale.

 

[Furball]

I think you should probably be trying to sell him. He's nowhere near as good as his reputation suggests anyway, so better get rid of him before other clubs realise.

I will never understand why he wasn't punted in summer and Cesc signed instead.

 

[grecian]

Reckon Wilshere is fast becoming the new Gerrard on here, he's really not that bad.

The fact is he's got injured, but many more key players have got fit, so these win-loss comparisons are pretty ****e, and the 5 zillionth reason why stats have no place in football.

Hard to argue for him though, as he's clearly a bit of an herbert. He's still one of the more technically proficient English footballers I've seen in 20 years. Mind you that isn't saying much.

 

[BoyBrumby]

As far as I see the only argument against it is if he's been expressly forbidden from doing so by his fitness coach or whatever.

The odd tab here or there isn't going to have any significant effect on his cardiovascular, but if he keeps getting snapped smoking the odds are the times he's been caught are the tip of the iceberg.

British footballers have a weird relationship with smoking; it's somehow become beyond the pale (relatively recently too; there's loads of pics of some of the greats chuffing away in the changing rooms. Both the Charltons were smokers, certainly) but even now it's still kinda acceptable to get leathered after a game, which arguably will have a more detrimental effect on fitness anyway.

 

[wpdavid]

If he turns out as good as Socrates or Gerson, I won't be complaining. Both heavy smokers, of course.

 

[Cabinet96]

Reckon Wilshere is fast becoming the new Gerrard on here, he's really not that bad.

The fact is he's got injured, but many more key players have got fit, so these win-loss comparisons are pretty ****e, and the 5 zillionth reason why stats have no place in football.

Hard to argue for him though, as he's clearly a bit of an herbert. He's still one of the more technically proficient English footballers I've seen in 20 years. Mind you that isn't saying much.

Anyone who watched Arsenal or simply looked at the team sheets could see the simple fact that for Wilshere to get into the side Özil, Ramsey and Cazorla were being compromised to an extent. Ramsey doesn't work as well with Wilshere as he does with Özil or Cazorla, the former having to play wide, instead of centrally, and the latter being on the bench. Wilshere isn't as good as any of those three, so it isn't that much of a surprise the team suffered. Of course he's not a bad player at all, but he's also not good enough to be the heartbeat of our side.

 

[GIMH]

Reckon Wilshere is fast becoming the new Gerrard on here, he's really not that bad.

The fact is he's got injured, but many more key players have got fit, so these win-loss comparisons are pretty ****e, and the 5 zillionth reason why stats have no place in football.

Hard to argue for him though, as he's clearly a bit of an herbert. He's still one of the more technically proficient English footballers I've seen in 20 years. Mind you that isn't saying much.

I'm gonna have to start rating him I don't like being part of the footy thread norm

Tbh I've not watched him play since the FA cup final

 

[grecian]

Anyone who watched Arsenal or simply looked at the team sheets could see the simple fact that for Wilshere to get into the side Özil, Ramsey and Cazorla were being compromised to an extent. Ramsey doesn't work as well with Wilshere as he does with Özil or Cazorla, the former having to play wide, instead of centrally, and the latter being on the bench. Wilshere isn't as good as any of those three, so it isn't that much of a surprise the team suffered. Of course he's not a bad player at all, but he's also not good enough to be the heartbeat of our side.

But earlier this year ramsey and Ozil weren't fit, so he wasn't keeping them out. You are doing better now everyone is fit including Giroud and others who have come back from injury.

In the end who cares, probably makes the difference from you finishing 3rd or 4th.

 

[grecian]

I'm gonna have to start rating him I don't like being part of the footy thread norm

Tbh I've not watched him play since the FA cup final

It's the hipstery hating of most English players here and elsewhere, it happens to most of them.