Are tons really that impressive in this era?

[OverratedSanity]

Please don't. The moderators might tell you about the libidinous games I play with them.

*runs away from thread*

 

[WindieWeathers]

LOL the "three musketeers" are certainly having a ball...have fun kids.

Hopefully the debate will resume when the adults return.

 

[OverratedSanity]

LOL the "three musketeers" are certainly having a ball...have fun kids.

Hopefully the debate will resume when the adults return.

We missed you. What are your thoughts on noted ftb and panty-dropper Virat Kohli?

 

[G.I.Joe]

Jono deals with the public embarrassment by going commando IIRC.

 

[Frost]

No-one is "writing off" anyone..start comprehending posts better please!! .

Haha you should take your own advice

 

[Spark]

The only decent ton out of the four was on the 5th day pitch...but still that was poor bowling by the aussies!!!..The tracks have been tailor made for Indian batsmen and the bowling has been erratic to him on most occasions imo. You'd never see the SA attack getting a beating from one man like that...especially when he's dodgy around the off-stump.

I have no problem with you rooting for the guy though (he's a class player) and clearly you have a cheerleader on this thread so good luck.

1st place in the scorecard generalship awards january 2k15

hint: when every single person who actually watched the series is pointing out that the bowling was good, the bowling was probably good.

 

[Cabinet96]

144kph bouncer at *****








Unfortunately ends up 5 feet down leg

Sums up West Indian bowlers these days.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

After having his off stump removed by a beautiful inswinger from Dan WW stood his ground at the crease.
"They've come to watch me troll, not to see your impeccable logic." he proclaimed.
Discplined, probing bowling from ***** and OS kept the runs down but couldn't remove him as endless LBW shouts were ignored because the umpires weren't watching.
Bowling change now. Spark trundles in, can he strike the final blow?

 

[Spark]

trundles probably the most accurate descriptor of my run-up tbh

 

[Blocky]

Sure, WW made a pithy post about the amount of centuries being scored but not without reason, considering that this series has set a number of "records" in terms of amount of times hundreds have been scored by captains in a series, amount of times 500+ has been scored by a team in the series, etc.... I personally disagree with him, mostly because bowling averages are lower in this generation than they were in the halycon 1990s/2000s....

But the sustained attack on him afterwards is priceless - because it's the type of crap you do in your little pack, telling yourselves that "this is the community spirit we enjoy", no doubt waiting for him to get annoyed enough to have a go at one of you, so all of you can then report him.

 

[Flem274*]

If scoring tons against South Africa and Australia then it doesn't say much for the batting of South Africa's most recent opponent. Weird posting.

More tons are being scored because India, Sri Lanka and the West Indies are on tour. These three sides have two world class bowlers between them and at least eight well established good to ATG batsmen.

So when teams who can bat but can't bowl go on tour and play against three of the top five test sides in the world, what do you think happens to the batting averages?

My CW dream is to have a post of mine reported by WW resulting in an infraction.

I manage it all the time. It's not hard.

 

[Blocky]

If scoring tons against South Africa and Australia then it doesn't say much for the batting of South Africa's most recent opponent. Weird posting.

More tons are being scored because India, Sri Lanka and the West Indies are on tour. These three sides have two world class bowlers between them and at least eight well established good to ATG batsmen.

So when teams who can bat but can't bowl go on tour and play against three of the top five test sides in the world, what do you think happens to the batting averages?

I manage it all the time. It's not hard.

I think a lot can be drawn out of the fact that in this particular match, only one bowler in either side has an average beneath 30 (Ryan Harris) and only three bowlers in this match have more than 100 wickets at test level (Harris, Lyon and Ashwin). They're also on pitches that have always been great for batsman ( look at Ponting, Clarke, Hussey, etcetera and their averages in Brisbane, Adelaide and Sydney) and conditions that favour fast scoring ( outfields are quick, you can trust the bounce, etc)

You're missing a world class spinner in the series who can make the difference and take vital wickets when partnerships are set... but Ryan Harris has shown that world class bowling will still take wickets and still profit, Johnson has been well down on his best, Starc erratic as usual, Hazelwood was impressive in his first test but not so much since and Lyon, despite all the hyperbole, you'll never convince me that he's actually any better than any other of the consistent offies in world cricket at the moment.

India's bowling attack is dreadful, their field settings have been worse and they've given Rogers, who was on his last legs in Cricket, a series which would rival some of Matty Hayden's better efforts. This isn't like a Michael Vaughan series coming in against a rampant bowling attack and being able to dispatch them, it has been ridiculously easy to score runs for both teams here as evidenced by the averages on display.

 

[BackFootPunch]

Sure, WW made a pithy post about the amount of centuries being scored but not without reason, considering that this series has set a number of "records" in terms of amount of times hundreds have been scored by captains in a series, amount of times 500+ has been scored by a team in the series, etc.... I personally disagree with him, mostly because bowling averages are lower in this generation than they were in the halycon 1990s/2000s....

But the sustained attack on him afterwards is priceless - because it's the type of crap you do in your little pack, telling yourselves that "this is the community spirit we enjoy", no doubt waiting for him to get annoyed enough to have a go at one of you, so all of you can then report him.

I think you'll find that, largely, the previous few pages were attacking WW's posts and not him personally. Which is fine because many of his posts in this thread are either a) trolling or b) hilariously misinformed. He's basically refusing to listen to reason, especially when it comes from people saying the Australian attack is actually bowling well. People who were at the ground, no less.

The really funny thing is that he started this thread, ostensibly because he wanted to discuss a question and get some answers. When he got those answers and found they weren't to his liking things got a bit out of hand.

He still managed to chuck in an irrelevant reference to Kraigg Brathwaite though, so at least he's got that to show for his efforts.

 

[Blocky]

I think you'll find that, largely, the previous few pages were attacking WW's posts and not him personally. Which is fine because many of his posts in this thread are either a) trolling or b) hilariously misinformed. He's basically refusing to listen to reason, especially when it comes from people saying the Australian attack is actually bowling well. People who were at the ground, no less.

The really funny thing is that he started this thread, ostensibly because he wanted to discuss a question and get some answers. When he got those answers and found they weren't to his liking things got a bit out of hand.

He still managed to chuck in an irrelevant reference to Kraigg Brathwaite though, so at least he's got that to show for his efforts.

Like I said, his first post was a little pithy but you can't exactly say he doesn't have justification or reason to say it.

Virat Kohli just broke a record for most runs scored in a series by an Indian against Australia and is now fourth all time for any series by an Indian. Steve Smith went from an inconsistent, occassionally brilliant batsman to someone scoring centuries every test. Rogers went from not being able to buy a run to not being dismissed for less than 50. The bowling attacks on display as I pointed out above would rate as some of the worst/inexperienced to play test cricket in the last 5 to 10 years for either side and the amount of runs being scored by the teams has also been setting records ( most number of 500+ scores in a row, etc )

Playing the point also wouldn't involve Sledger being Sledger, ***** using cricket commentary in parody to try and provoke response and people actively disecting/mocking the way someone uses emoticons and makes posts. Like I said before, I don't agree with his point that the centuries are meaningless, but I wouldn't put some of Smith's knocks up as reason to believe he's going to become an all time great like his numbers in this series would suggest.

 

[Frost]

I think you'll find that, largely, the previous few pages were attacking WW's posts and not him personally. Which is fine because many of his posts in this thread are either a) trolling or b) hilariously misinformed. He's basically refusing to listen to reason, especially when it comes from people saying the Australian attack is actually bowling well. People who were at the ground, no less.

The really funny thing is that he started this thread, ostensibly because he wanted to discuss a question and get some answers. When he got those answers and found they weren't to his liking things got a bit out of hand.

He still managed to chuck in an irrelevant reference to Kraigg Brathwaite though, so at least he's got that to show for his efforts.

Agree.was going to say something similar but said my point a few pages back and didn't get a response from him.
This thread is going to be opinion based in the answers given so its become a case of troll feeding tbh, I just don't like the "everyone's picking on me"attitude.

 

[harsh.ag]

Like I said, his first post was a little pithy but you can't exactly say he doesn't have justification or reason to say it.

Virat Kohli just broke a record for most runs scored in a series by an Indian against Australia and is now fourth all time for any series by an Indian. Steve Smith went from an inconsistent, occassionally brilliant batsman to someone scoring centuries every test. Rogers went from not being able to buy a run to not being dismissed for less than 50. The bowling attacks on display as I pointed out above would rate as some of the worst/inexperienced to play test cricket in the last 5 to 10 years for either side and the amount of runs being scored by the teams has also been setting records ( most number of 500+ scores in a row, etc )

Australia's bowling attack has been fine, and they have been bowling well. Even though Johnson has not been at his absolute best, he has been bowling very well, apart from one spell here and there.

I think comparing Smith and Kohli with regards to batting performance is probably not the best idea. Smith (like the other Aussie bats) had flat pitches + bad bowling, while Kohli only had the advantage of the former

Really makes Watson's performances look even more dire...

 

[Blocky]

Australia's bowling attack has been fine, and they have been bowling well. Even though Johnson has not been at his absolute best, he has been bowling very well, apart from one spell here and there.

I think comparing Smith and Kohli with regards to batting performance is probably not the best idea. Smith (like the other Aussie bats) had flat pitches + bad bowling, while Kohli only had the advantage of the former

Really makes Watson's performances look even more dire...

I saw Kohli here first hand in New Zealand score runs for fun against us in the ODI series and I'm firmly in his camp believing he's probably the next true ATG Indian batsman, but either the Indians are more comfortable against pace than England and South Africa were, or Johnson has lost something since those games last year and the year before. Ryan Harris has been consistently great but Mitchell Starc, Hazelwood, Lyon, Johnson himself? There have been cheap runs on offer everytime they bowl.

Can you honestly tell me that you believe this is the greatest effort by an Indian batsman against Australia in any series?

But in saying all of that, I completely agree that any comparisons of Smith to anyone else who has scored the amount of runs he has in this series needs to be tempered against situations of people scoring runs against Bangladesh, Zimbabwe or Murphy S'ua. The bowling is just horrible.

 

[harsh.ag]

I saw Kohli here first hand in New Zealand score runs for fun against us in the ODI series and I'm firmly in his camp believing he's probably the next true ATG Indian batsman, but either the Indians are more comfortable against pace than England and South Africa were, or Johnson has lost something since those games last year and the year before. Ryan Harris has been consistently great but Mitchell Starc, Hazelwood, Lyon, Johnson himself? There have been cheap runs on offer everytime they bowl.

Can you honestly tell me that you believe this is the greatest effort by an Indian batsman against Australia in any series?

But in saying all of that, I completely agree that any comparisons of Smith to anyone else who has scored the amount of runs he has in this series needs to be tempered against situations of people scoring runs against Bangladesh, Zimbabwe or Murphy S'ua. The bowling is just horrible.

I think we saw by Johnson's reaction in the first test when he hit Kohli that he may have been slightly off his game then, but that has not been the case since then (and especially towards Kohli ). Tbh, I just think it's a combo of flatter pitches than last year (and South Africa's) and Johnson coming down from an insane high. Lyon has been really good, dude. No free runs on offer there. Hazelwood has probably had one session of easy bowling. That's about all I think. Starc is a different case, yes. Though he was the pick of the bowlers today.

Comes pretty damn close to the greatest effort by an Indian bat against the Aussies. Had Dravid, Tendulkar done what they did in 2003-04, 2007-08 against McGrath-Warne, that would have been far ahead of him. But since that wasn't the case, I don't see Kohli's performance here as much behind at all.

 

[Blocky]

I think we saw by Johnson's reaction in the first test when he hit Kohli that he may have been slightly off his game then, but that has not been the case since then (and especially towards Kohli ). Tbh, I just think it's a combo of flatter pitches than last year (and South Africa's) and Johnson coming down from an insane high. Lyon has been really good, dude. No free runs on offer there. Hazelwood has probably had one session of easy bowling. That's about all I think. Starc is a different case, yes. Though he was the pick of the bowlers today.

Comes pretty damn close to the greatest effort by an Indian bat against the Aussies. Had Dravid, Tendulkar done what they did in 2003-04, 2007-08 against McGrath-Warne, that would have been far ahead of him. But since that wasn't the case, I don't see Kohli's performance here as much behind at all.

Johnson just doesn't seem intimidating anymore, he's bowling 144 instead of 154, he's not as consistent in his lines as he was against the batsman and batsman are swatting him away for easy runs. I mean Kohli has had a field day pulling Johnson all series. Lyon, no easy runs? I think that's systemic that they were playing into his game at the start of the series, plonking forward and trying to defend him rather than rocking back to play him. He was good in the first test, but since then he's been on a slide and the entire series including the first test, he's been leaking runs at around 4 an over.

I personally believe that Hughes has had exactly 0% effect on how the Australians have gone about their cricket, except the over the top kissing the pitch on 63 type celebrations and all the other embarassing bull**** that's happend. You've still had them run their mouth constantly, you've still had shorter pitched deliveries on barrage with exception that the batsman are now pulling/cutting runs away from it and it just isn't as effective now.

Lyon is one of the easiest frontline spin bowlers in world cricket to face because he can't hurt you with a straighter ball or a Doosra, he's so consistent through the air and he really relies on bounce more so than spin as a weapon, so if you're quick enough to see the length and get back to him, he's just so easy to play.

 

[GotSpin]

Johnson hasnt Been helped by poor catching.

Hazelwood has bowled pretty good lines top.

IMO the pitches have Been so awful.