***Official*** India in Australia 2014-5

[Jono]

Johnson will obviously get 6/30 second innings now, though.

Yeah will bowl fuller second dig surely and kill us. Wahhh

 

[Spark]

IIRC the attack was flagging pretty badly and they scored a lot off Tahir. This was genuinely good bowling treated with complete disdain.

 

[Antihippy]

I find it weird that there's been so much talk about Kohli's awesome () press conference, and not quite enough about Mitch throwing the ball at Kohli's beautiful bum in frustration because he couldn't get him out. If anything, that's what's pissweak.

See previous page.

 

[Jono]

Jarrod Kimber rates Kohlis presser. Good enough for me.

 

[Spark]

The Aussies have this sports culture of "Do and say what you need to in the park, even if you actually respect the guy you are sledging". Now, that's perfectly alright. But the truth is that is not the culture everywhere, and we have a culture where sledging in the park is a sign of disrespect. Now, you may not agree with it, or think it's weak (even though it isn't). So, when you are saying that "Look you need to understand our culture here. Nobody actually disrespects you. We think you are a fantastic player", that's basically saying "Look, you need to respect our culture, even though we don't give a flying **** about yours."

Controversial post, but still.

this makes absolutely no sense. who mentioned anything about culture?

 

[OverratedSanity]

IIRC the attack was flagging pretty badly and they scored a lot off Tahir. This was genuinely good bowling treated with complete disdain.

Not really. Steyn, and especially Philander had us in all sorts of trouble with the new ball, and runs were extremely hard to come by. Pujara took 71 balls to score his first 12 runs and he and Vijay weathered the storm. After that, once the shine was off the ball, it was carnage. Tahir only bowled 15 overs, and didn't bowl much when Pujara and Kohli got going. He came back to bowl at the tail and got a few cheap wickets. Morkel's injury was the real problem for SA.

I'd say this was better bowling though, certainly. Harris was brilliant.

 

[Gnske]

The Aussies have this sports culture of "Do and say what you need to in the park, even if you actually respect the guy you are sledging". Now, that's perfectly alright. But the truth is that is not the culture everywhere, and we have a culture where sledging in the park is a sign of disrespect. Now, you may not agree with it, or think it's weak (even though it isn't). So, when you are saying that "Look you need to understand our culture here. Nobody actually disrespects you. We think you are a fantastic player", that's basically saying "Look, you need to respect our culture, even though we don't give a flying **** about yours."

Controversial post, but still.

You do realize of course both teams have been sledging? If it's disrespectful over there then someone needs to give Rohit, Ishant, Kohli and Dhawan some spankings. Not a controversial post, just really silly.

 

[Spark]

Not really. Steyn, Morkel and especially Philander had us in all sorts of trouble with the new ball, and runs were extremely hard to come by. Pujara took 71 balls to score his first 12 runs and he and Vijay weathered the storm. After that, once the shine was off the ball, it was carnage. Tahir only bowled 15 overs, and didn't bowl much when Pujara and Kohli got going. He came back to bowl at the tail and got a few cheap wickets.

I'd say this was better bowling though, certainly. Harris was brilliant.

Perhaps I'm overstating Tahir's impact yeah. Easy to do, mind.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Perhaps I'm overstating Tahir's impact yeah. Easy to do, mind.

The first innings was where Tahir was truly horrendous. Philander and Morkel were causing loads of trouble and Tahir kept giving Kohli a boundary ball every over.

 

[OverratedSanity]

See previous page.

Yep. But not enough

 

[harsh.ag]

Rahane is my new favorite player. The way he has been flaying good attacks is my new definition of legendary.

 

[Debris]

The Aussies have this sports culture of "Do and say what you need to in the park, even if you actually respect the guy you are sledging". Now, that's perfectly alright. But the truth is that is not the culture everywhere, and we have a culture where sledging in the park is a sign of disrespect. Now, you may not agree with it, or think it's weak (even though it isn't). So, when you are saying that "Look you need to understand our culture here. Nobody actually disrespects you. We think you are a fantastic player", that's basically saying "Look, you need to respect our culture, even though we don't give a flying **** about yours."

Controversial post, but still.

In Australia, it is generally considered culturally insensitive to speak in a language that not everyone present understands when there is an alternative. Australians don't complain about it because they know that there is a difference between cultures.

 

[harsh.ag]

this makes absolutely no sense. who mentioned anything about culture?

I did.

You do realize of course both teams have been sledging? If it's disrespectful over there then someone needs to give Rohit, Ishant, Kohli and Dhawan some spankings. Not a controversial post, just really silly.

Both teams are sledging because that's what the Aussies have dragged down everyone else to, because of their disregard for others' culture. And there is a reason why Rohit, Ishant & Co. are so piss poor at the art of sledging. It's just not something that is a part of the routine here.

 

[weldone]

****ing lol at Dhoni coming down the track. Seems like he gave Rahul the instructions to go after the bowling? Only logical explanation for someone on debut to do that on his 7th and 8th deliveries.

I think this is perhaps the case. Either this, or Rahul was watching Rahane and Kohli bat for an hour before he came to bat, and got carried away.

 

[cnerd123]

You do realize of course both teams have been sledging? If it's disrespectful over there then someone needs to give Rohit, Ishant, Kohli and Dhawan some spankings. Not a controversial post, just really silly.

I think he means the sledging is coming from a different place. For the Aussies sledging is just something you do, a part of the game, and no real disrespect meant by it. For Indians however, if you sledge someone you actually don't respect them all. If you respected a player you'd keep shut.

I feel this is partly why India/Aus series tend to get so heated. Not a major factor, but Indians generally do not grow up sledging while playing cricket. So when they face it at international level they do tend to take offence more than an English or NZ cricketer would. Hence the stronger reactions.

There is also this bullish attitude sweeping through the younger generation of India, where they feel excessive pride in their country and it's achievements of late. They are also starting to view it as being weak when you stay quiet when people disrespect you (as they have tended to do so in the past) instead of fighting back. It's why these guys indulge in some much ugly, unnatural aggression, unlike the older gen of Dravid/Sachin/VVS/Sehwag/Kumble who would tend to just ignore it go and reply by playing good cricket. The common thread between both generations is that Indians don't like sledging and don't see it as an acceptable part of the game, whereas the Aussies do, and that's where conflict arises sometimes.

 

[cnerd123]

In Australia, it is generally considered culturally insensitive to speak in a language that not everyone present understands when there is an alternative. Australians don't complain about it because they know that there is a difference between cultures.

I think every culture agrees that this is rude, but at the same time every sporting nation in every sport will choose communicate amongst themselves in their native tongue. It keeps tactical discussions secret from the opposition without having to resort to complicated hand signals or frequent team huddles (like they do in American sports). More of a tactical move than a cultural thing.

 

[harsh.ag]

Yes, ***** has said exactly what I wanted to. Thanks.

 

[Gob]

No wonder TPC called him Mr Reactive during that incident with Rohit.

I love a good sledge as much as the next guy but I think the umpires need to have a chat with the captains before a day's play and tell them to can it before something happens or they have to do something. Getting a bit out of hand tbh, from both sides.

mr reactive ha ha thats gold.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Spare me the holier than thou stuff.

 

[Debris]

I think every culture agrees that this is rude, but at the same time every sporting nation in every sport will choose communicate amongst themselves in their native tongue. It keeps tactical discussions secret from the opposition without having to resort to complicated hand signals or frequent team huddles (like they do in American sports). More of a tactical move than a cultural thing.

Indians, Pakistanis and South Africans have been known to address comments to Australian batsman in languages they know they don't understand. How is that tactical?