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**Official** Pakistan v New Zealand in the UAE 2014

OverratedSanity

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Can we all just agree that either Sodhi sucked balls or that he bowled well and just move on? It's getting tiring as **** talking about the same thing when everyone knows that no matter what anyone says no side is going to change their minds .
 

Blocky

Banned
Can we all just agree that either Sodhi sucked balls or that he bowled well and just move on? It's getting tiring as **** talking about the same thing when everyone knows that no matter what anyone says no side is going to change their minds .
Well I said it a few pages ago, let's agree that Sodhi bowled well for Sodhi and leave it there. Let's also agree Craig should be dropped, Wagner should play the next test and we need to figure out who out of Anderson/Neesham we're going to play, because Anderson isn't a #5's bollocks.
 

Athlai

Not Terrible
Can we all just agree that either Sodhi sucked balls or that he bowled well and just move on? It's getting tiring as **** talking about the same thing when everyone knows that no matter what anyone says no side is going to change their minds .
Unlikely, it's a tour thread. Whenever Sodhi bowls or at the end of the day we'll discuss how he bowled. The passion of the "sides" is a relatively new thing.
 

OverratedSanity

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Unlikely, it's a tour thread. Whenever Sodhi bowls or at the end of the day we'll discuss how he bowled. The passion of the "sides" is a relatively new thing.
I guess so. But it's been pedantic. He bowled well. 46 runs per wicket. He kept the rums down which could avoid defeat in the end. But he got hit for a couple of fours by Tailenders. But he bowled well. Averaged 46....etc.
 

ohnoitsyou

International Regular
Oh please. You've all gone from "Sodhi sucks balls" to "HAH, BLOCKY WAS WRONG" within the space of one innings where Sodhi went at 46 per wicket... so I don't know why you think you're not see through and I don't know why you're all holier than thou somehow thinking I've been proven wrong when.....

Boult remains toothless without the new cherry
Sodhi and Craig are both no hopers.
Anderson and Neesham aren't playing well enough to have places for both of them, Neesham has had more success in their relative careers to date.

But sure, argue those points. I'll enjoy laughing at the whole "We know cricket too Blocky! We know it!" paradox that occurs whenever these discussions take place.
Boult was bowling beautifully till the ball was about 35 overs old. Getting a hint of reverse too.
Anderson is playing better than Neesham this series. Aren't you a fan of horses for courses?
We have no better spinner available to us, excluding Tastle and Jeets.

I won't get involved with the pettyness and name calling. As soon as someone brings your character into question you'll turn into mr angel again.

Lets face it, you were calling for Boult to be dropped for Wagner, because he failed three innings in a row, yet Neesh given an extended run and want NMcCullum in the side.
 

ohnoitsyou

International Regular
What, their top order that still have about 1100 runs for the loss of 12 wickets in three innings?... ? Let's do that comparison now.
i was talking this match alone but whatever, you have to look at the whole team performance anyway, so its not as if you can conclude anything meaningful
 

Blocky

Banned
Boult was bowling beautifully till the ball was about 35 overs old. Getting a hint of reverse too.
Anderson is playing better than Neesham this series. Aren't you a fan of horses for courses?
We have no better spinner available to us, excluding Tastle and Jeets.

I won't get involved with the pettyness and name calling. As soon as someone brings your character into question you'll turn into mr angel again.

Lets face it, you were calling for Boult to be dropped for Wagner, because he failed three innings in a row, yet Neesh given an extended run and want NMcCullum in the side.
Anderson has played better than Neesham in one innings of batting and one innings of bowling, the reality is though that you can't pick both - one of them has two test centuries and has scored more runs in five matches than the other has in eight. Go figure. "Neesh an extended run" - the guy still averages 50 with the bat, mate.

And my calls weren't for Boult to be dropped for Wagner, my calls were that Boult was extremely ineffective in these conditions and Wagner is a better bowler, but thanks for chewing words and attempting to put them in my mouth.
 

ohnoitsyou

International Regular
Well I said it a few pages ago, let's agree that Sodhi bowled well for Sodhi and leave it there. Let's also agree Craig should be dropped, Wagner should play the next test and we need to figure out who out of Anderson/Neesham we're going to play, because Anderson isn't a #5's bollocks.
About a day ago you commented that Anderson had put the work in and looked the better of the two. The definition of i know more than you, so arguing for the sake of arguing posting.
 

Blocky

Banned
About a day ago you commented that Anderson had put the work in and looked the better of the two. The definition of i know more than you, so arguing for the sake of arguing posting.
As a bowler, in one innings. And in this innings, Neesham was far more effective, go figure. Like I said, you pick one or the other, you can't play both. I'm not saying Neesham absolutely over Andreson but I will say Neesham is more likely in two years to be a test player than Anderson is.
 

ajdude

International Coach
the arguments in this thread are **** quality compared to the ones from the ashes threads last year, they haven't even hit 3rd gear yet
 

Blocky

Banned
the arguments in this thread are **** quality compared to the ones from the ashes threads last year, they haven't even hit 3rd gear yet
Well, that's probably due to the fact that there are three or four regular NZ posters at the moment sitting out with a ban.
 

Days of Grace

International Captain
Pretending he's not is worse.
Right, so he's a no-hoper since he bowled some unplayable deliveries in between going for a little over 2 runs an over. Fair enough. All our attack are no-hopers, then.

Let's cut the bull****. Sodhi has wronged you in some way, hasn't he?


Hey, just as long as if Sodhi ever does take a match-winning bag in test cricket, you man up and admit you were wrong. You'll probably just make up some bull**** excuses on how it doesn't count, though.
 
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Athlai

Not Terrible
Right, so he's a no-hoper since he bowled some unplayable deliveries in between going for a little over 2 runs an over. Fair enough. All our attack are no-hopers, then.

Let's cut the bull****. Sodhi has wronged you in some way, hasn't he?
I think he is just like this in general.
 

ohnoitsyou

International Regular
Anderson has played better than Neesham in one innings of batting and one innings of bowling, the reality is though that you can't pick both - one of them has two test centuries and has scored more runs in five matches than the other has in eight. Go figure. "Neesh an extended run" - the guy still averages 50 with the bat, mate.

And my calls weren't for Boult to be dropped for Wagner, my calls were that Boult was extremely ineffective in these conditions and Wagner is a better bowler, but thanks for chewing words and attempting to put them in my mouth.
It won't, NZ Cricket for years has gotten itself into the habit of having four to six players that it simply will not consider dropping under any circumstance even if the performances aren't there.

Boult is in that group.
Ie, you think Boult should be dropped

Craig still has more capabilities than Boult though, both with bat (which has come in handy) and as a bowler in these conditions.
If someone is to be dropped it will be Boult over Craig. Sodhi having outbowled craig in the previous match

In this case we know we have a world class seam bowler who will always be threatening with the new ball, who we know needs to learn how to adjust to other conditions where swing isn't as prevalent. I'd agree with you that Wagner should be ahead of Boult but NZ selectors never will, because Boult is "one of the good guys" in terms of the little pack/clique of cricketers who can't possibly be dropped.
So you want Wagner in the team infront on Boult, with Craig and Sodhi being ahead of Craig.

I'd be against Boult being dropped. I want Southee, Boult and Wagner to get experience in these conditions on the basis that I think they'll be our attack for the next five years. Even if Boult goes wicketless in the series, it'll tell him he has things to work on - Southee is a case and point of going away after some bad series and coming back better.
You sir, are an idiot.
 

Blocky

Banned
Right, so he's a no-hoper since he bowled some unplayable deliveries in between going for a little over 2 runs an over. Fair enough. All our attack are no-hopers, then.

Let's cut the bull****. Sodhi has wronged you in some way, hasn't he?
"Bowled some unplayable deliveries" - He's got Azhar out a few times, outside of that? What was unplayable? All I saw was a #11 dispatching him to the boundary and the tail end having no problem at all batting against him.
 

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