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Blocky

Banned
Astle did go at the bowling from the get-go though, it was just that he changed down gears if he was still in (on 40 or so at a run a ball) around the 15 over mark and accumulated to push towards a hundred. Guptill could take that approach.

Not today though.
No, Astle had hitting zones that if you pitched the ball in, he'd throw everything at - i.e the cover drive/drive on the up and the cut shot. Outside of that, he'd generally rotate the strike and seek gaps in the early stage of his innings too. Gup really just needs to throw the bat at everything otherwise he has no point in this team. He even looks better as a batsman when he doesn't attempt to "play" and just goes T20.
 

Blocky

Banned
We don't need Ryder as an opening batsman, right Hess? We've got Neesham and Guptill - we love being 29/2 after 8 instead of 70 for 1.
 

Athlai

Not Terrible
So after the last game where we came away from the Neesham experiment with a "to be continued"

I'd say after today we close the book on this one. Neesham isn't going to be an opener for this world cup.
 

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So after the last game where we came away from the Neesham experiment with a "to be continued"

I'd say after today we close the book on this one. Neesham isn't going to be an opener for this world cup.
Agreed. It was worth a shot, but I think we've seen enough now.
 

hendrix

Hall of Fame Member
Neesham gets at least the series. 2 matches against the best attack in the world is not enough evidence.
 

Athlai

Not Terrible
Neesham gets at least the series. 2 matches against the best attack in the world is not enough evidence.
It is imo. Unlike Guptill, this isn't a question of form. This is an experiment and an experiment that is preventing us from trying other genuine openers in that position. I'd want us to go into the next game with Latham opening with Guppy.
 

straw man

Hall of Fame Member
Keep the Neesham experiment going. He's just as likely as Ryder to destroy Ireland and wilt against quality new-ball bowling.
 

Blocky

Banned
I don't mind continuing the Neesham experience if he has someone at the other end playing well and taking the pressure off - if you had either McCullum (in form) or Ryder in the side who was scoring from the get go, then fine - but having both Neesham and this iteration of Guptill at the top of our order just gives us too much risk at the top of being 2 down for hardly anything and having wasted the first ten overs.
 

Mike5181

International Captain
You'd have to be pretty stupid to expect consistent results from Neesham at the top. Maybe in a few years time when he's developed his game, and got a bit more experience. Not four months out from a world cup. Ignoring the whole Ryder fiasco - Latham/Watling are our best options.
 

Athlai

Not Terrible
I don't mind continuing the Neesham experience if he has someone at the other end playing well and taking the pressure off - if you had either McCullum (in form) or Ryder in the side who was scoring from the get go, then fine - but having both Neesham and this iteration of Guptill at the top of our order just gives us too much risk at the top of being 2 down for hardly anything and having wasted the first ten overs.
Yeah agreed. But I'd keep Guptill instead of Neesham, and you'd likely go vice versa.

Right now they're just putting pressure on each other and it isn't working at all.
 

hendrix

Hall of Fame Member
Latham hasn't actually been tried out yet so even I'm not going to say he's our best opening option because he's completely unproven in the ODI format. I do think he's more likely to succeed than Guptill or Neesham or Brownlie though.
 
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Blocky

Banned
It is imo. Unlike Guptill, this isn't a question of form. This is an experiment and an experiment that is preventing us from trying other genuine openers in that position. I'd want us to go into the next game with Latham opening with Guppy.
Guppy outside of a couple big innings early in his career and the knocks against England hasn't really been "in form" though. It's a perpetual myth solely based on his average that Guptill is "out of form" rather than "not good enough" - if Guptill is there as an attack everything opening batsman, I'm OK with that. If Guptill is there as a "Let's try to be an actual batsman" then he will fail, just as badly as his test career shows.

Brownlie looking like a million bucks.
 

Athlai

Not Terrible
Latham hasn't actually been tried out yet so even I'm not going to say he's our best opening option because he's completely unproven in the ODI format. I do think he's more likely to succeed than Guptill or Latham or Brownlie though.
Yeah Latham is a much better option than Latham IMO. Latham just has more potential than Latham.
 

Blocky

Banned
You'd have to be pretty stupid to expect consistent results from Neesham at the top. Maybe in a few years time when he's developed his game, and got a bit more experience. Not four months out from a world cup. Ignoring the whole Ryder fiasco - Latham/Watling are our best options.
Disagree, Neesham has shown he can be consistent with the bat and also at a decent scoring rate in test cricket. He's actually shown a hell of a lot more aptitude than most of the prospects we've tried in the batting unit for ODI. But he can't do it if someone at the other end robs all momentum in the innings.
 

Mike5181

International Captain
Latham hasn't actually been tried out yet so even I'm not going to say he's our best opening option because he's completely unproven in the ODI format. I do think he's more likely to succeed than Guptill or Neesham or Brownlie though.
....so basically he's our best option? lol
 

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