Jonbrooks chucking Megathread

[harsh.ag]

Probably on the basis that lack of transparency usually hides no good, and also the historical records of ICC's uselessness.

 

[weldone]

Yes Muralitharan has been awesome for SL cricket, especially their spinners. That is why CA spin coach said over 90% of SL spinners are chucking the ball.

Murali said that?

Muralidaran signs with Australia

Haha lol.

 

[harsh.ag]

Here are a couple of interesting articles on some (imo fairly legitimate) concerns with the new testing protocols that have tripped up players like Ajmal and Senanayanke.

Chucking controversy : ICC falls out with long-serving bowlers' testing centre | Cricket News | Cricinfo ICC Site | ESPN Cricinfo

Chucking controversy : UWA's issues with ICC's current bowling-action testing methods | Cricket News | Cricinfo ICC Site | ESPN Cricinfo

Woh! This is way more complex than I knew it to be. Thanks Bahnz

 

[harsh.ag]

Sounds a lot like ICC has decided to "guide" the science as far as testing techniques go. Classic dictatorial stuff!

 

[uvelocity]

If anything, the current testing protocol sounds poorer and less scientific than what was used in the Perth facilities.

This is obscured further by the fact that the current testing has not been made public and no-one seems to have access to it.

but its clearly more accurate than the previous testing which cleared obvious chuckers.

 

[uvelocity]

On what basis have you made the claim that they are likely to be doing them wrong.

its the icc

those guys were chucking. so the testing is getting the right result, but i can't disagree that they've likely ****ed up bigtime somewhere, being the incompetents they are

 

[Daemon]

Slightly related, just got an iPhone 6 and was playing with the slow-mo video during training. was completely shocked when i saw footage of my action. Beginning remedial work asap.

I suggest the ICC use slow motion videos and Dr Velocity's superior judgement to crack down on chuckers. It's better than the farce that the system is now.

 

[weldone]

An easier solution will be to employ Mr. Hair and Dr. Velocity as the 2 field umpires and revert back to the old policy of umpire's calling. In case of any technical / visibility / moral / ethical / religious difficulty they can refer to the third umpire jonbrooks.

 

[Coronis]

Murali was great, get over it.

 

[harsh.ag]

but its clearly more accurate than the previous testing which cleared obvious chuckers.

This article on the views of UWA sort of argues against this point:

Chucking controversy : UWA's issues with ICC's current bowling-action testing methods | Cricket News | Cricinfo ICC Site | ESPN Cricinfo

 

[cnerd123]

Jesus the one thing ICC has done right in the last decade and they still **** that up.

They're like the Mohammed Ashraful of sport administration bodies.

 

[Migara]

I said it first, give the damn protocol.

 

[YorksLanka]

Slightly related, just got an iPhone 6 and was playing with the slow-mo video during training. was completely shocked when i saw footage of my action. Beginning remedial work asap.

I suggest the ICC use slow motion videos and Dr Velocity's superior judgement to crack down on chuckers. It's better than the farce that the system is now.

Did your phone have a 48 degree angle after taking it out of your pocket though?if so, also fails...

 

[TNT]

Probably on the basis that lack of transparency usually hides no good, and also the historical records of ICC's uselessness.

So what are you suggesting, the ICC tested Ajmal and blindfolded him so he didn't know what was happening.

Everyone seems happy with the ICC except UWA, but then again why do the ICC have to answer any questions from the UWA.

 

[Athlai]

I don't know but the only other expert in the field is probably someone we should consider the opinion of. We haven't even been advised of how the ICC are testing the players.

I'm all for cracking down on players but it still has to be done correctly.

 

[TNT]

I said it first, give the damn protocol.

It is only the UWA that are asking for the protocols and why should the ICC have to give them the protocols.

 

[TNT]

I don't know but the only other expert in the field is probably someone we should consider the opinion of. We haven't even been advised of how the ICC are testing the players.

I'm all for cracking down on players but it still has to be done correctly.

Its only the UWA that is complaining and they have no interest in this. The boards of the players being tested all seem happy and are part of the ICC and have access to everything. People are blindly sprouting garbage from the UWA that has no relevance to the issue.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

It is only the UWA that are asking for the protocols and why should the ICC have to give them the protocols.

Because good scientific process involves this little process called peer review.

 

[TNT]

Because good scientific process involves this little process called peer review.

And its up to the ICC who if they decide to have a peer review, the UWA have no call in this at all. UWA is just jaded because they have been excluded from the process.

UWA results have been dodgy from the start so it would be pointless to have them peer review any work.

 

[Athlai]

The UWA are the former testers, they believe the current testing is incorrect. This is extremely relevant. It's a scientific process and they are experts in that field.

We don't even know who is actually doing the current tests nor how they do so. Why hide this?