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How good is Sanga?

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Singh Is King

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Sanga terrific player. But the bowling attacks tendulkar faced and stats that came out with home and AWAY were out of this world.
Not putting down Sanga he is a fine player.

But imo Tendulkar and Lara were both more proven.
 
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Singh Is King

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
From "Overrated Sanity", great words.

1) Tendulkar's average touched 59.16 in February 2001 after 90 tests over 12 years. Almost as long as Sanga's career and considering how this entire period was during a time which everyone likes to say was tough to bat in, and although I'm not saying he smashed the 90s great bowlers for fun, it's an extraordinary statistical achievement.

2) After this Tendulkar went through a slight decline, but still somehow managed to rack up big runs through sheer grit. Even though he wasnt in form, his average was 58.4 when he played Pakistan in 2004. After 15 years of test cricket and 113 tests, his average was still stratospheric. But there's more: At this point in his career, he had 33 hundreds. Only 3 of them came against Bangladesh/Zimbabwe. And he played 54 tests, almost half his tests, away from the SC. While I will never slag Sanga off for bashing Bangladesh and Zimbabwe, getting to almost 60 average without getting anywhere near as many opportunities to pump up his average against weaker teams or playing every week in familiar home conditions is just phenomenal. This is why when people judge Tendulkar without having really appreciated what he achieved in those years, it just shows a great deal of ignorance.

3) If this isn't enough, after going through a big decline in the mid 2000s, Tendulkar roared back in the end of the 2000s and once again became the best in the world. After his last ton in test cricket, that classic at Capetown against Steyn, Tendulkar's average stood at 56.95. After 176 tests. More than anyone had ever played. So at that point, Tendulkar had played more test cricket than anyone and still managed to keep his average at ungodly heights. Almost freaking 57 after 22 years. . Compare that with 59 over 14 years for Sanga and tell me whats more impressive statistically.
 

simonlee48

School Boy/Girl Captain
You know things are tough when you are using ICC rankings as your argument. Look at Tendulkars record against arguably the best team ever Australia home and AWAY. His away records piss all over Sangakaras. Lara v Tendulkar is a debate. Sangakara v Tendulkar is not a debate for so many reasons which people have listed but get ignored by these Sangakara fans.
Yes Sangakara is a great player, top 15 ever.
But Tendulkar and Lara tier he is not in.

Tier 1- Bradman (has his own tier really), Tendulkar,Sobers,Sir Viv, Brian Lara.
How can you put Sanga in that tier ?
I will happily take Kallis/Dravid over Sanga in my team if my team has to play against good bowling sides in 20 tests in 10 different conditions. Those two were more consistent against good bowling sides and also more consistent in different conditions. Sanga is a great batsman on his own but all games are not against Pakistan or BD. If we are playing those two sides on flat tracks then I will take Sanga over anyone in history of cricket. He is simply that good against those two sides. But scoring heavily against those two sides doesn't hide other deficiencies.

In the last 20-25 years when I have watched bulk of career of many batsmen, I will say Sachin/Lara > Ponting > Kallis/Dravid > Sanga followed by others
 
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bally1234

Banned
How is this a debate? Tendulkar and its not even close. How many pundits or ex pros would say Sanga is better than Tendulkar? Some people clearly did not watch Tendulkar enough...never mind when his incredible performances against the bowling attacks of the 90s

Sanga is brilliant dont get me wrong, but not Sachin brilliant.
 

simonlee48

School Boy/Girl Captain
How is this a debate? Tendulkar and its not even close. How many pundits or ex pros would say Sanga is better than Tendulkar? Some people clearly did not watch Tendulkar enough...never mind when his incredible performances against the bowling attacks of the 90s

Sanga is brilliant dont get me wrong, but not Sachin brilliant.
Well, debate may be meaningless but it can still serve some purpose. You will know the list of posters who rate Sanga higher and guess their age ;)
 

Singh Is King

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Sanga has more 190+ scores than anyone in history.

Sanga > Sachin

/end thread
I've seen your reasons and they are so weak that I dont think even you believe Sanga is better than Sachin lol !! Lets see the poll result in a couple of weeks

P.s i am not a Sanga basher. He is a fine fine player especially in Sri Lanka and against Pakistan.
 

viriya

International Captain
Poll results matter.. Apparently Sachin's reputation depends on it?

Sanga has more MoMs in 2/3rd the matches.

Sanga > Sachin
 

Singh Is King

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
man of the match? are you for real? LOL.
Like I said, Sanga "fans" ignore all the key statistics posted by various different posters, one being the one I re-posted from "Overrated Sanity".
 
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Singh Is King

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
From "Overrated Sanity", great words.

1) Tendulkar's average touched 59.16 in February 2001 after 90 tests over 12 years. Almost as long as Sanga's career and considering how this entire period was during a time which everyone likes to say was tough to bat in, and although I'm not saying he smashed the 90s great bowlers for fun, it's an extraordinary statistical achievement.

2) After this Tendulkar went through a slight decline, but still somehow managed to rack up big runs through sheer grit. Even though he wasnt in form, his average was 58.4 when he played Pakistan in 2004. After 15 years of test cricket and 113 tests, his average was still stratospheric. But there's more: At this point in his career, he had 33 hundreds. Only 3 of them came against Bangladesh/Zimbabwe. And he played 54 tests, almost half his tests, away from the SC. While I will never slag Sanga off for bashing Bangladesh and Zimbabwe, getting to almost 60 average without getting anywhere near as many opportunities to pump up his average against weaker teams or playing every week in familiar home conditions is just phenomenal. This is why when people judge Tendulkar without having really appreciated what he achieved in those years, it just shows a great deal of ignorance.

3) If this isn't enough, after going through a big decline in the mid 2000s, Tendulkar roared back in the end of the 2000s and once again became the best in the world. After his last ton in test cricket, that classic at Capetown against Steyn, Tendulkar's average stood at 56.95. After 176 tests. More than anyone had ever played. So at that point, Tendulkar had played more test cricket than anyone and still managed to keep his average at ungodly heights. Almost freaking 57 after 22 years. . Compare that with 59 over 14 years for Sanga and tell me whats more impressive statistically.
now lets compare this versus Viriyas Man of the match and fastest runs against worse opponents debate LOLL.
 

viriya

International Captain
His post was discussed before, its like taking a subsection of sangas career like how he averages 70+ over 80 tests as a non-wkt keeper.
 

Spark

Global Moderator
Poll results matter.. Apparently Sachin's reputation depends on it?

Sanga has more MoMs in 2/3rd the matches.

Sanga > Sachin
Sanga has more 190+ scores than anyone in history.

Sanga > Sachin

/end thread
Fastest to 8000, 9000, 10000, 11000, 12000 (next test?) runs.

Sanga > Sachin
Not sure you could have come up with three more facile stats to support your case there. I mean... the 190 cutoff, really?

Unless you actually think that MOTM awards is an important marker of anything at all.
 

viriya

International Captain
Quoting another poster multiple times when it was discussed before doesn't really add to the discussion either. At least it was a fun stat for the kids to munch on.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
This thread.... O this thread....

Of course the people who think Sangakkara is better than Sachin et al, and that he is the best since Bradman have a valid argument, regardless of what others think.

You don't have to agree, but it's not a delusional claim.

Just give it a rest.
Yeah, maybe it's just because I'm so used to have ideological disagreements with people over the best way to rate cricketers, but I agree with this. You can certainly make a case for Sangakkara being better, and as long as it's not intellectually dishonest or inconsistent from how one rates other players, then that's perfectly fine. People will naturally have different criteria, and as long as it's applied universally then it's not delusional.

I reject most of the reasons most people rate Tendulkar higher than Sangakkara, but then rate him higher anyway for a reason most people don't really care about. As such I can definitely see why some people might rate Sangakkara higher even though I don't agree.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Quoting another poster multiple times when it was discussed before doesn't really add to the discussion either. At least it was a fun stat for the kids to munch on.
Well that may not add much, but what you're doing -- finding statistics that support your argument even though you don't really believe them to be relevant to the reasoning behind your position -- is essentially intellectually dishonest, and therefore detracts from the discussion rather than just not adding to it.
 

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