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***Official*** India in England 2014

Cabinet96

Hall of Fame Member
They did minus Jones who got injured in the warmup. (Or rather re-injured)

1st test - God/Hoggard/Harmison/Panesar/Blackwell
2nd - God/Hoggard/Harmison/Plunkett/Panesar
3rd - God/Hoggard/Anderson/Udal/Panesar

Hoggard was incredible first Test, Anderson the third. God was amazing all series, averaged 50 with the bat and 30 with the ball and captained us to our first Test win in India in over two decades

and Duncan Fletcher can **** himself
Oh yeah, I remember that. But I was thinking in England. When did we previously play India before 2007? 2002? 2007 home we had all of the four injured didn't we?
 

Daemon

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I saw it on twitter after the 3rd test. Howe could have come up with it on his own as well though.
 

Stapel

International Regular
Simon Jones and Freddie >>>>>>>>>>> our 3rd/4th spinners now. Ali better than Giles though in fairness. Batting wise I have to take the likes of Tresco, Thorpe, Strauss, ahead of most of our lot atm.

Yeah inexperience played a role, but there is something more. Its a mental brittleness that comes from the top, Fletcher/Dhoni need to go IMO.
Either one of Cook, Bell, Root & Ballance has a higher batting career average than either one of Tresco, Strauss & Thorpe though. I do realise it's not always fair to compare players of various time areas, but still. I don't think there's too much wrong with England's current batting line-up, even without considering they have the strongest tail I've ever seen (correct me if I've missed an obvious other candidate for strongest tail in cricket).

Flintoff and Jones...... Ah well, that was something very very special, in the summer of 2005.
In all fairness: Hoggy, Harmy, Jones, Freddie & Giles? Or Anderson, Broad, Jordan, Woakes & The Beard? I'd always pick Flintoff, as he is The One! But from a strictly objective pov, considering career averages rather than a single series, I wouldn't be so sure. Also, too early to judge CJ, CW & MA.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Yeah, bigging up someone as a captain when his side is winning and then heaping **** on him when its losing, even though his captaincy style and ability doesn't really change at all, is actually worse than stubbornly sticking to a position that I may personally disagree with.

Anyone can tell you who won. I don't mind disagreeing with the commentators and the media, but I certainly expect more from them than reactionary drivel.
 
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Viscount Tom

International Debutant
I think your seriously overestimating the abilities of some commentators to actually give much analysis these days.

Honestly I don't think its unfair to say that quite a number of people on this site would give far better analysis than quite a few comms on the circuit at the moment who really do just come out with reactionary drivel. The only thing most are good for these days are filling the gaps when a match starts to drift because they hardly say anything meaningful in regards to the game.

They certainly by an large don't pay attention to the development of players before they hit the county circuit quite a few of them really are scoreboard warriors, they see the stats and scores and assume from there on in, case and point being Moeen Ali, who they spent more or less the entirety of his international career thus far calling him a part timer while anyone who put any modicum of effort into paying attention to county cricket would know that while he's not the first spinner at Worcestershire he's far removed from a part timer.
 

harsh.ag

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
If they replaced professional cricket commentary with placing the mic for five minutes on each table in the nearest sports bars, it will be legen.. wait for it... :)
 

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