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***Official*** India in England 2014

harsh.ag

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Do captains go up in people's estimations as soon as they retire because I can never remember Ponting or Smith being particularly good captains and yet they are regularly mentioned as good captains.
As JMay said, Smith was a good captain, and a good leader. Ponting's case is less clear cut. His personal form dip came quite soon after McWarne+'s retirements. So can;t tell if he was just a captain during good times or a good captain.
 

theegyptian

International Vice-Captain
Meh I disagree. SA should have been the best test team in the world years before they finally became it. Smith was too defensive and lacked tactical nous just the same as others in the past. A good man who was respected and liked by his teammates and admired for his batting leading from the front but not a good on field captain. If he was England captain he would have been hounded out of the job years before imo.
 

harsh.ag

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Meh I disagree. SA should have been the best test team in the world years before they finally became it. Smith was too defensive and lacked tactical nous just the same as others in the past. A good man who was respected and liked by his teammates and admired for his batting leading from the front but not a good on field captain. If he was England captain he would have been hounded out of the job years before imo.
South Africa's lack of middle to lower middle order batting kept them from becoming the best test team in the world. And a spinner wouldn't have hurt. Till 07, no one else was going to come close to the no. 1 rank anyway with the Aussies in the fray.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Yep Sammy was the nicest guy captain I remember. A lovely. Bloke to all unless your name is James Faulkner. Then he ****s you up hard cos you're an arrogant dickhead and he tells. You to keep your mouth shut.
 

karan316

State Vice-Captain
The career should not have been his to begin with, therefore there was nothing to **** over. People say Binny shouldn't suffer for being related to a national selector, but as I say - it takes two to nepote (verb form of neoptism. True story), and so he can GAGF. Besides, one could argue that Binny is too poor a bowler that allotting him overs that could have been bowled by the others would have been detrimental to team interests.
His performances in the domestic games in the last 2-3 years have been impressive enough to warrant him a place in the test side. Dhoni didn't give him longer spells to start with, nor does he stand up to the stumps when he bowls which is a bit odd considering the pace at he bowls. And secondly, India needs a 5th bowler, if not Binny, then Rishi Dhawan needs to be picked, we need to go with 5 bowlers who can share the workload, we don't want our 3 pace bowlers bowling too many overs and loosing steam at crucial times or ending up with injuries or burn out in the long run. Another factor in overseas games is the lack of help for our spinners, if we pick Ashwin or Jadeja and if they don't do well, the pacers will have have a tough time(if we just go with 4 bowlers).
 
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Burgey

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Mate I've been superb. Insightful, gregarious, good hunoured and probably the highlight of the entire forum. Rest of them are **** though :ph34r:

Nice work on uni. What will you be studying?
 

cnerd123

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His performances in the domestic games in the last 2-3 years have been impressive enough to warrant him a place in the test side. Dhoni didn't give him longer spells to start with, nor does he stand up to the stumps when he bowls which is a bit odd considering the pace at he bowls. And secondly, India needs a 5th bowler, if not Binny, then Rishi Dhawan needs to be picked, we need to go with 5 bowlers who can share the workload, we don't want our 3 pace bowlers bowling too many overs and loosing steam at crucial times or ending up with injuries or burn out in the long run. Another factor in overseas games is the lack of help for our spinners, if we pick Ashwin or Jadeja and if they don't do well, the pacers will have have a tough time(if we just go with 4 bowlers).
I don't think India needs a fourth fast bowler. Ishant and Bhuvi are workhorses - Bhuvi bowls within himself and Ishant is built for long spells. Shami is the only quick now who can't bowl a lot of overs each innings. If India stick with picking 2 workhorses (guys like Pankaj and Vinay Kumar fit that role too) and one express bowler (Aaron, Yadav and maybe Pandey too), they can comfortably rotate using 3 quicks. Especially if they play 2 spinners.

Jadeja has shown he can bowl tightly in all conditions, and with the newish ball, and then you have Ashwin as the main strike weapon when the pitch is wearing. So even in conditions favourable to seam bowling (like Lords was), they can get away with 3 quicks, 2 spinners, and maybe some Virat Kohli to fill in. You just have Ashwin bowl a bit less. And then on flat roads, Ashwin and Jadeja can bowl the bulk of the overs (which tbh isn't a bad thing as they're both pretty good) and let the quicks operate in bursts. And then on pitches helping spin, well you have 2 spinners to do all the work with the support of part-timers like Vijay/Rohit/Dhawan.

This balance works especially well because Jadeja, Ashwin and Bhuvi are all pretty solid batsmen, so we don't play a long tail and we get 5 bowlers.

If India were to pick a 4th seamer it wouldn't really enhance the quality of the attack in anyway - as promising as Aaron and Yadav are, they are still very raw, and the other quicks are hardly going to turn in better figures than Jadeja even in seamer friendly conditions. And then if you go looking for a medium pace bowling allrounder, you have Binny, Irfan Pathan, Rishi Dhawan or Nayar. And are any of them going to do better than Ashwin and Jadeja? With bat and ball? And in the field? I don't think so.

3 seamers 2 spinners also gives that flexibility for a pitch like Lords was, which seams and swings initially and then takes turn later.
 
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andmark

International Captain
Mate I've been superb. Insightful, gregarious, good hunoured and probably the highlight of the entire forum. Rest of them are **** though :ph34r:

Nice work on uni. What will you be studying?
Good to hear Burge :)

Studying History at uni because I'm the sort of bore who likes that stuff :ph34r:
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
I don't think India needs a fourth fast bowler. Ishant and Bhuvi are workhorses - Bhuvi bowls within himself and Ishant is built for long spells. Shami is the only quick now who can't bowl a lot of overs each innings. If India stick with picking 2 workhorses (guys like Pankaj and Vinay Kumar fit that role too) and one express bowler (Aaron, Yadav and maybe Pandey too), they can comfortably rotate using 3 quicks. Especially if they play 2 spinners.

Jadeja has shown he can bowl tightly in all conditions, and with the newish ball, and then you have Ashwin as the main strike weapon when the pitch is wearing. So even in conditions favourable to seam bowling (like Lords was), they can get away with 3 quicks, 2 spinners, and maybe some Virat Kohli to fill in. You just have Ashwin bowl a bit less. And then on flat roads, Ashwin and Jadeja can bowl the bulk of the overs (which tbh isn't a bad thing as they're both pretty good) and let the quicks operate in bursts. And then on pitches helping spin, well you have 2 spinners to do all the work with the support of part-timers like Vijay/Rohit/Dhawan.

This balance works especially well because Jadeja, Ashwin and Bhuvi are all pretty solid batsmen, so we don't play a long tail and we get 5 bowlers.

If India were to pick a 4th seamer it wouldn't really enhance the quality of the attack in anyway - as promising as Aaron and Yadav are, they are still very raw, and the other quicks are hardly going to turn in better figures than Jadeja even in seamer friendly conditions. And then if you go looking for a medium pace bowling allrounder, you have Binny, Irfan Pathan, Rishi Dhawan or Nayar. And are any of them going to do better than Ashwin and Jadeja? With bat and ball? And in the field? I don't think so.

3 seamers 2 spinners also gives that flexibility for a pitch like Lords was, which seams and swings initially and then takes turn later.
This. Although India picking a fourth seamer may be on picking the top four bowlers, pace or spin.
 

Arjun

Cricketer Of The Year
His performances in the domestic games in the last 2-3 years have been impressive enough to warrant him a place in the test side. Dhoni didn't give him longer spells to start with, nor does he stand up to the stumps when he bowls which is a bit odd considering the pace at he bowls. And secondly, India needs a 5th bowler, if not Binny, then Rishi Dhawan needs to be picked, we need to go with 5 bowlers who can share the workload, we don't want our 3 pace bowlers bowling too many overs and loosing steam at crucial times or ending up with injuries or burn out in the long run. Another factor in overseas games is the lack of help for our spinners, if we pick Ashwin or Jadeja and if they don't do well, the pacers will have have a tough time(if we just go with 4 bowlers).
Binny had one good all-round season. Outside that, he's been sub-par, if not poor, with the ball. I'm game for Rishi as a Test all-rounder, but there may be the angle of selectors deliberately ignoring Ranji Group C players, which is highly debatable. Then again, Bhuvneshwar Kumar has had good figures in higher-level Ranji leagues and in Duleep Trophy. Otherwise, it's a fair point.
 

YorksLanka

International Debutant
Cricinfo reporting Jadeja been fined 50% of his match fee for the Anderson thing..quick question, why is he judged today but Anderson not being judged at the same time? Seems a bit odd to me?
 

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