New Zealand Off Season 2014

[SteveNZ]

It's a joke. Where were Williamson and that Sri Lankan lad tested? Where was Narine tested? Wouldn't surprise me if they were using different equipment. It all comes down to your brand. Ajmal and Narine, especially Narine are big time stars. They'll get away with this **** for years.

Whilst I don't disagree, it doesn't change the fact that Kane chucks it and doesn't deserve to be bowling . Whether Ajmal/Murali/Narine do or don't is fairly irrelevant. I don't imagine the technology is too different from test to test.

We all know it should be monitored on field, however.

 

[Blocky]

That would be a huge gain to Australian cricket at a huge cost to us. It would be the end of the plunket shield.

No it wouldn't - no reason we can't stagger our season to ensure we can run our six team competition before providing two teams into their competition.

 

[Flem274*]

The hitch is, why would Cricket Australia want us?

When this idea was first floated their domestic competition was a hell of a lot better than ours.

 

[ohnoitsyou]

No it wouldn't - no reason we can't stagger our season to ensure we can run our six team competition before providing two teams into their competition.

That just means working our whole domestic season around Australia, and either further cramping of schedules or cutting List A games.

A much better alternative would be to arrange an annually ODI tournament/competition. Players could still acclimatise to foreign turf without removing a huge hunk of the playing season for the majority of our players. Better yet it might actually be profitable.

 

[Blocky]

All Australian leagues could have said the same thing, but the reality is adding the NZ sides into the league only improves them, widens their coverage and makes it more engaging. In the case of Australian cricketers too, playing in the swinging/seaming conditions we produce would make them better players. It's a two to four hour flight for most of the nations - considering Perth, it really doesn't make any difference to the current travel demands, etc.

It's like Super Rugby - it really made no sense for New Zealand who had the strongest domestic competition and produced the talent year in, year out, time again to go and create a league with Australian and South African teams - but they wanted to create a better competition, with more engagement and more variety.

 

[Bahnz]

I'm bummed about Kane, but these sweet Howsie tears do help ease the pain.

 

[brockley]

I could see an NZ A side in the competition but not 2 sides.An ACT team and NZ A would be more benefical.But 2 kiwi sides with the likelihood on international players not playing would be considerably weak.Its worked in Soccer and Basketball.The NT side is at least 30 years off a place in the oz competition.
I think you could Plunkett as well,you could have a NZ A side and Canberra side playing 5 shield games a year.Thats how Tasmania we're admitted with half the Shield games till a decade after and they we're competitive.

 

[Howsie]

Has Narine been tested? I don't recall if he has, tbh.

Ajmal has. I have concerns over his action because I'm not sure that arm abduction should be legal when bowling with a bent arm, and he uses abduction significantly in his action. But certainly by the lab guidelines he's 100% clean.

Narine was in Australia if memory serves correctly. Like I said though, he's a star, he's untouchable. The BCCI I mean ICC would do everything in their power to make sure he's able to play.

 

[ohnoitsyou]

Disagree brockley, if anything NZ probably need four teams in there.

Auckland:

Jeet Raval
McIntosh/Guptill
Kitchen
Cachopa
Munro
CdG
Hopkins?
Mitch M
Bates
Bartlett/Quinn
Singh

Would be competitive in most conditions and as good as any on a road.

Districts:

Flynn
How
Carter
Young
Hay
Santner
van Wyk
Kugglejuggs
Wheeler
Milne
Small

Could see this team being very competitive, gun bowling attack if it can keep them on the park and some classy batting in the middle.
Cantington:

Fulton
Papps
Brownlie
Pollard
Elliot
Franklin
Ronchi
Tastle
Gillespie
Henry
Bennett

Kind of meh, but another side with a gun bowling attack and a good sized engine room.

Otago:
Rutherford
Redmond
Bracewell
Ryder
Broom
Wells
DeBorder
Jeets
Doug Bracewell
Scott
Verma/other ND quick.

Not too many Australian sides could better the batting in this, bowling is lacklustre though, so maybe three is the optimum amount. That is without any blackcaps though, add in a couple to each team and we would start to compete after the first couple of seasons.

 

[Howsie]

Whilst I don't disagree, it doesn't change the fact that Kane chucks it and doesn't deserve to be bowling . Whether Ajmal/Murali/Narine do or don't is fairly irrelevant. I don't imagine the technology is too different from test to test.

We all know it should be monitored on field, however.

See, I don't believe he does. It's just easier for the ICC to say 'Here we do care, we just banned another one' Nevermind guys with way worse actions getting away with murder.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

Nevermind guys with way worse actions getting away with murder.

 

[Bahnz]

Seriously, Howsie is even worse than WW when it comes to ND players.

 

[brockley]

More than 1 side would not be benerficial to the Shield,and you would want the highest standard,you could fill a Canberra side with 3/4 kiwis,there's history there.A Canberra side would need to import players probably 2 overseas players,like with Tasmania and WA did earlier on.It would expand the shield to 10 teams unsustainable.
Like league,soccer and basketball 1 side for strenghth.I back 8 sides.
BTW i don't see many Kiwis jumping ship to England,maybe James Franklin,if he has a uk/eu visa.

 

[ohnoitsyou]

If you merged the 6 NZ teams into three they are of an equal to or greater quality than the Australian teams. It would also mean the Aussies would get a lot of time in NZ conditions rather than just a couple of games each a season.

 

[brockley]

Oh i see the benefit to playing foreign conditions,i just don't see a prestiegous comp like the Sheffield Shield going from 6 sides to 9/10 overnight.
The more likelihood is 1 NZ team and a Canberra side,1 NZ side seems more a precedent in sport,altho Rugby League are thinking about a 2nd Kiwi side.
Maybe it would be a pre emptive move by having a Tassie 2nd xl side play in the Plunkett shield.Tas 2nd xl has toured NZ twice in recent years.
But a shake up of 3/4 sides being in the Shield won't happen even if the sides are competitive.

 

[RxGM]

Domestic contracts are out tomorrow,
Below is a list of the 2013-14 squads and definite moves that have been announced, in square brackets I have put my speculation of other moves that could happen.

Auckland
13/14 Contracts: McIntosh, Raval, Kitchen, Cr Cachopa, de Grandhomme, Grobbellar, O’Donnell, Hopkins, Singh, Bates, Quinn, Bartlett, Fergusson, Friday
IN: Nicol, B Cachopa, C Cachopa, Nethula, B Martin, [Hira]
OUT: Hopkins , Friday, [Singh], [B Martin] [Raval]

Canterbury
Astle, Bennett, B Cachopa, Ellis, Henry, Hira, Keen, McCone, McEwan, Nicholls, Nicol, Stewart, van Beek, Worker
IN: Fulton, N. Broom, Fletcher, [T Johnstone], [McConchie], [Raval]
OUT: Stewart, Nicol, B Cachopa, Henry, Worker, [Hira], [Keen]

CD
C Cachopa, Hay, How, Milne, Mathieson, Nethula, Noema Barnett, A Patel, Robinson, Small, Smith, van Wyk, Wheeler, Young
IN: D. Bracewell, Worker
OUT: Nethula, C Cachopa, Milne

ND
Aldridge, Baker, J Boult, Devcich, Fletcher, Flynn, Goodin, J. Hickey, Kuggeleijn, Mitchell, Sodhi, Styris, Verma, Wilson
IN: Brownlie, B Horne,
OUT: Sodhi , Fletcher

Otago
Beard, M. Bracewell, N. Broom, Butler, Craig, D. de Boorder, Duffy, McMillian, Neesham, Redmond, Robertson, Ryder, Soper, Wells
IN: Rutherford, Friday, [Rodden]
OUT: N. Broom, Craig, Neesham, Butler

Wellington
Arnel, Brodie, Franklin, Gillespie, McKay, McPeake, Murdoch, Papps, J. Patel, Pollard, Ronchi, Tugaga, Walsh, Woodcock
IN: Elliott, [Blundell]
Out: Ronchi, Brodie, [McPeake]

 

[ohnoitsyou]

Oh i see the benefit to playing foreign conditions,i just don't see a prestiegous comp like the Sheffield Shield going from 6 sides to 9/10 overnight.
The more likelihood is 1 NZ team and a Canberra side,1 NZ side seems more a precedent in sport,altho Rugby League are thinking about a 2nd Kiwi side.
Maybe it would be a pre emptive move by having a Tassie 2nd xl side play in the Plunkett shield.Tas 2nd xl has toured NZ twice in recent years.
But a shake up of 3/4 sides being in the Shield won't happen even if the sides are competitive.

Its kind of moot when even 1 side is unlikely to happen...

 

[Kippax]

Otago
Beard, M. Bracewell, N. Broom, Butler, Craig, D. de Boorder, Duffy, McMillian, Neesham, Redmond, Robertson, Ryder, Soper, Wells
IN: Rutherford, Friday, [Rodden]
OUT: N. Broom, Craig, Neesham, Butler

Howsie said Seifert had got a gig down at Otago, and will play as a specialist batsman if required. Surely Howsie's not wrong (on this).

 

[Howsie]

'How does Kane Williamson get banned "throwing" when other guys around the world don't even get a mention let alone tested?'

Aaron Finch.

Quite right. If a guy like Finch, who has played all around the world, faced all these 'bowlers' and probably faced Williamson many times in the nets doesn't think he throws it then well......

 

[Flem274*]

Finch thinking he would look good in pink obviously.