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***Official*** India in England 2014

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Yeah it would be though. Regardless of the initial merits of a selection, once you're picked in the top six and you actually perform - especially if you perform in the way he did - you keep your place. The initial logic behind the selection becomes irrelevant at that point unless you have a gun batsman coming back after injury or your team is wildly imbalanced as a result. Neither of those are true here.
He obviously shouldn't be dropped for another unproven batsman; that'd be silly. If the balance of the team would be better served by having one less batsman than it currently does though because his bowling is proving to be a liability then it would not be unreasonable to drop him. You don't consciously pick a team you think won't work as well as another combination would just because someone you didn't even select as a specialist batsman scored some runs.
 

Cabinet96

Hall of Fame Member
TBF Stokes at 8 means you can mitigate that problem pretty easily, but the thought of Jordan at #6 is still hilarious.
You'd have to go remarkably out of you way to be able to pick enough specialist bowlers for that...

If Jordan came in for Moeen he'd bat 8. What's wrong with that?
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
His primary role is as a batsman, surely.
He's been selected as an allrounder -- a batting allrounder yes, but his bowling partly got him into the side. If his bowling becomes a non-factor then they'll have to re-think their balance, which means his place will come under threat. If he bats so well that he leapfrogs another specialist batsman in the side and puts their position under threat instead, then fine, but if they just wanted a sixth specialist bat they wouldn't have picked him in the first place IMO, so he can't hide behind that. You obviously can't ignore the fact that he batted well in his primary role but by the same token you can't just dogmatically ignore the balance of the side and how his under-performance with the ball changes it.

I think he'll bounce back with the ball to a large extent so I'd keep him on but if I thought he was going to bowl like this every game I'd drop him like a sack of spuds.
 

Dan

Hall of Fame Member
You'd have to go remarkably out of you way to be able to pick enough specialist bowlers for that...
I live in New South Wales. Stuff like that happens remarkably often :p


If Jordan came in for Moeen he'd bat 8. What's wrong with that?
Absolutely nothing. Well, apart from the complete lack of spin option and the removal of England's saving grace at the moment -- a ridiculously deep batting line-up.

You could go with Stokes to 6 and Borthwick to 8, but IMO that reduces both the batting and bowling strength of the side. Not to mention it'd be suspiciously lacking of beards.
 

Shri

Mr. Glass
100 partnership coming up? Both these players should get 50s and kick Jad and Binny out of the team to bring in the Ash.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Absolutely nothing. Well, apart from the complete lack of spin option
This is the key though. While Ali is a theoretically functioning spin option, his place isn't in question. If he bowls like this all the time then he won't be though, meaning England will need to re-think their balance and his place will rightly come under threat unless he bats well enough to leapfrog Ballance or Root in the pecking order.
 

Teja.

Global Moderator
I was going to put a substantial bet on India scoring less than 448 at evens before play started today as I thought it was extremely generous considering our tail starts at five down but dozed off and din't do it. I was kicking myself for not doing it at 350/9 and now... :laugh:
 

King Pietersen

International Captain
With Moeen and Root in the side, I don't think we need 5 specialist bowlers. Our batting has been incredibly frail, so I'd go with the stronger bat, and Moeen has been excellent since he came in, so I'd keep him at 6. A top 7 of Cook, Robson, Ballance, Bell, Root, Moeen and Prior looks pretty strong, and I'd say a bowling attack of Broad, Plunkett, Anderson and Kerrigan looks good too, especially when we have 2 more than handy spinners to back them up.

Kerrigan's the best spinner in the country, and should be picked. He might have struggled against Australia in 6 overs, but deserves another go. He's definitely a better option than Ali, Borthwick and Panesar.
 
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viriya

International Captain
I'm sure that Jordan would do magnificently batting at #6 or #7. Can't see anything wrong with that idea at all.
No, Prior would shift to #6. Ali did great in the last test but him not providing good rest for the strike bowlers and also not keeping the runs down outweighs the 20-30 runs more he might get over Jordan.
 

King Pietersen

International Captain
What the **** is happening? I'm not watching, so presume we're bowling miserably. How the **** are Kumar and Shami closing in on a hundred partnership? Bad bowling? Captaincy? Both?
 

YorksLanka

International Debutant
Anyone shed any light on why root only bowled the one over? I know he isn't a huge wicket taker but he would at least give a bit of something different and a rest for the quicks..
 

viriya

International Captain
Eng are in danger of exhausting Anderson and Broad - should just bowl Ali and Root to give them some respite.
 

Spark

Global Moderator
What the **** is happening? I'm not watching, so presume we're bowling miserably. How the **** are Kumar and Shami closing in on a hundred partnership? Bad bowling? Captaincy? Both?
The pitch is what it is and these two have applied themselves really really well, but England seem to have decided that their plan to get him out is (a) bouncer, which clearly hasn't worked as it's taken about six years for the ball to get to the batsman and (b) leg stump half volleys trying to get them caught at one of three (!) short midwickets. You can guess how that's going.
 

King Pietersen

International Captain
Three short midwickets? WTF? Have they tried just bowling full and straight with a normal field? Or yorkers? Actually, that's a stupid question. England haven't bowled a yorker in a Test match since 2009.

Just switched on, heard a nick, heard a cheer, but no real appeal. Dire from Prior. Swear something similar happened against Sri Lanka? That was an obvious edge though, was so loud.
 
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Spark

Global Moderator
Haha, no one's heard that at all

Just switched on, heard a nick, heard a cheer, but no real appeal. Dire from Prior. Swear something similar happened against Sri Lanka? That was an obvious edge though, was so loud.
Not sure what Prior's doing because he clearly has heard it, but it's easy to understand the umpire not giving it when he hasn't heard or seen a thing and a grand total of one person has appealed
 

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