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***Official*** New Zealand in the West Indies 2014

hendrix

Hall of Fame Member
1. without wishing to be too hard on Ramdin, he basically dropped the test series at the end of day 3 (or rather let it fly just to his right....). That was a harsh lesson in taking your chances. I remember seeing that and thinking 'he's going to pay for that' and that's exactly what happened. If that catch is taken, we win the series, it's as simple as that.


2. I don't think there's much at all between the two teams, it's just that New Zealand are a year or so ahead in terms of developing a winning mentality.
Exactly. Point number 1 is why I'm quite happy to say that this was a very evenly fought series. 1-1 would've been a fair reflection. 2-1 to Windies would've been a fair reflection had Ramdin taken that catch. 2-1 to NZ is a fair reflection too. As it stood, NZ stood up on days 3, 4 and 5 and deserved to win the series.

On point humber 2, I agree completely. It was very beneficial for NZ that the Windies sent such a poor side to NZ because it gave the confidence and momentum that then continued through the Indian series to this one. Windies aren't far away from finding that.
 
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hendrix

Hall of Fame Member
New Zealand were conclusively the better side in the third Test IMO....The result was made artificially close by rain; New Zealand still had a set batsman in on 160* with three wickets left - they could've added another 50 runs easily (or more, tbh) if they had more time and made the result look much more conclusive.
Yeah, this is quite true actually.
 

Slifer

International Captain
NZ Ratings
KW 9.5 - would've been a 10 if he hand't have made a habit of getting out in the 40-60 range so often.
Southee - 8.5 - another series, another brilliant performance by Timmeh. Ho-hum. Probably could've finished with another half dozen wickets given how often he beat the bat.
Watling - 8.5 - Terrific, helped set up the victory in the first test with his batting, and with a bit more support probably would've saved the second test as well. Also, his keeping - in tricky conditions - was absolutely spotless.
Neesham - 8 - A great effort with the bat, though was disappointing in his secondary role with the ball. Hope he goes on with it.
Latham - 8 - Could it possibly be that NZ have finally found an opener who might hold up in test cricket? It's early days, but Latham's form in this series was very encouraging - spoiled only by a dreadful shot to get out in his final innings of the series.
Wagner - 7 - Showed just how valuable he is to the NZ side with a typically dogged effort to help change the direction of the deciding test. Should never be left out for a 2nd spinner again.
Boult - 7 - His performances gradually improved as the series progressed. He showed terrific guts to keep up the intensity while battling a fever in the 2nd test, and was unlucky to finish with just 9 wickets.
Taylor - 6.5 - Lots of starts but nothing spectacular to show for it, and a couple of real horrible dismissals. Despite what Roach says, Taylor is still our best batsman, but this isn't a series that he'll remember with great fondness. Fantastic in the slips as usual.
Craig - 6 - A matchwinner in the first test, a pie-thrower in the 2nd, and a bit of both in the 3rd. Showed enough in his debut series to be persisted with.
Sodhi - 6 - All over the place, but showed that he can dismiss good batsmen with big turning deliveries. A lot to be excited about, but he needs some time sorting out his accuracy in the domestics.
McCullum - 4 - So much for the great blossoming of McCullum's latent batting talent. Still, his captaincy was superb.
Fulton - 1 - Bye Fults, will miss your hilariously egg-shaped head.
Rutherford - 0.5 - Oh god, why?!?
Hope u don't mind if I do the WI:

Powell 2.0-really needs to go back to the drawing board and learn what it means to play a long test inning
Brathwaite- 8 the find of the series as far as WI batsmen are concerned
Gayle 6.5
Edwards 6.0
Bravo 6.0 (his hundred in the second test really saved us)
Samuels 2.0
Blackwood 7.0 crucial 63 in 2nd test would have been higher had he played more and not made way for and EXTRA BOWLER (smh)
Chanders 7.0 solid without being particularly outstanding
Ramdin 5.5 did better than I expected with the bat but his keeping and 'other' captaincy decisions let him (WI) down
Roach 8.0 good to see him back in the fold and no surprises he was among the wickets
Taylor 7.5 went missing in the last test but up until that point was our best bowler in this series
Benn 6.0 excellent trier and all but his fielding aside (those catches), he really was more of a containment bowler ie there to bowl long spells and tie down an end....
Gabriel 4.0 needs to work on that accuracy or he could very well end up as another Tino best..enough said!!
Holder undecided tbh I honestly don't think we have seen the full potential of this lad yet, but what we have seen bodes well for him and the future of WI cricket. Terribly under bowled for whatever reason
Shillingford 4.0 failed with the ball did ok with the bat, no more needs to be said. Maybe some of us (West Indians) were unrealistic about our expectations of him (in retrospect).
 

Bahnz

Hall of Fame Member
Fielding is just as important a skill in test cricket as batting and bowling, and dropped catches by one team shouldn't be written off as "bad luck". New Zealand had the better wicket-keeper in this series, and he played a critical role in their victory.
 

Blocky

Banned
NZ Ratings
KW 9.5 - would've been a 10 if he hand't have made a habit of getting out in the 40-60 range so often.
Southee - 8.5 - another series, another brilliant performance by Timmeh. Ho-hum. Probably could've finished with another half dozen wickets given how often he beat the bat.
Watling - 8.5 - Terrific, helped set up the victory in the first test with his batting, and with a bit more support probably would've saved the second test as well. Also, his keeping - in tricky conditions - was absolutely spotless.
Neesham - 8 - A great effort with the bat, though was disappointing in his secondary role with the ball. Hope he goes on with it.
Latham - 8 - Could it possibly be that NZ have finally found an opener who might hold up in test cricket? It's early days, but Latham's form in this series was very encouraging - spoiled only by a dreadful shot to get out in his final innings of the series.
Wagner - 7 - Showed just how valuable he is to the NZ side with a typically dogged effort to help change the direction of the deciding test. Should never be left out for a 2nd spinner again.
Boult - 7 - His performances gradually improved as the series progressed. He showed terrific guts to keep up the intensity while battling a fever in the 2nd test, and was unlucky to finish with just 9 wickets.
Taylor - 6.5 - Lots of starts but nothing spectacular to show for it, and a couple of real horrible dismissals. Despite what Roach says, Taylor is still our best batsman, but this isn't a series that he'll remember with great fondness. Fantastic in the slips as usual.
Craig - 6 - A matchwinner in the first test, a pie-thrower in the 2nd, and a bit of both in the 3rd. Showed enough in his debut series to be persisted with.
Sodhi - 6 - All over the place, but showed that he can dismiss good batsmen with big turning deliveries. A lot to be excited about, but he needs some time sorting out his accuracy in the domestics.
McCullum - 4 - So much for the great blossoming of McCullum's latent batting talent. Still, his captaincy was superb.
Fulton - 1 - Bye Fults, will miss your hilariously egg-shaped head.
Rutherford - 0.5 - Oh god, why?!?
The only areas I disagree.

I'd have KWill at about an eight. A great series, anytime you score 400 runs in three tests is great, but too often he let the Windies back into the game by chipping out soft dismissals. My only hope is now that he's actually batted through an innings and pushed the ascendancy into a point that we had a match winning total, we'll start to see that more from him.

I'd bump Southee down to an eight too, a few poor sessions but otherwise sublime with the ball in pretty much all conditions. He seriously needs to do more with the bat if he wants to continue being put at eight.

I'd have Boult probably about a six, a couple of good spells don't erase a bunch of bad ones.

I'd have Wagner an 8 for the match, his first innings haul of wickets was as much the reason we won the match as Williamson's innings. It's the quality of wickets he continues to take - a set Braithwaite, a set Bravo and a semi set Chanderpaul - if any of those guys had gone on to make bigger runs, then we'd have inevitably drawn this match rather than win it. It's hard to assess a series performance for a guy who only plays one test though.

I'd have Sodhi lower than you have him, yes, I loathe the idea of the guy being a test player and although statistically he did very well this series, just too many rank poor balls that other sides would punish. Any time you lose your place as an incumbent to a guy who only managed an average of 40 with the ball, you can't rank "6.5"

Craig - I think you've got him about right, although you have to say he bowled us to victory in the first game (along with Southee) and gave us exactly what we needed in the fourth innings of this match. His gritty batting also has to come into account - I'd have no issues rating him at 7 for his debutant series all things told.

Fulton has to be a 0, Rutherford has to be a 0.

Taylor - Can't give him a 6.5 - never looked settled, had some absolutely daft dismissals and although not a terrible series by statistics, the statistics didn't tell the story of how many positions a batsman of his stature and class should have guided us through, while he wafted out and left it to Neesham and Watling beneath him.

McCullum - don't disagree with a four, his batting was a two, his captaincy was a six. Would rate his captaincy higher but I don't think he pushed hard enough for the players he'd have needed to make a difference (i.e wagner in all series)
 

Hurricane

Hall of Fame Member
Team of the series

Latham
Braithwaite
KW
Bravo
Chanders
Neesham
Watling
Southee
Roach
Benn
Taylor

Hard picking the bowlers as Taylor faded.
 

Beamer

International Vice-Captain
4-1 over the course of the last six months is a fair reflection of these two teams IMO.
Yeah New Zealand comprehensively the better side over that time. The only thing I would say is we picked a much better group of players for this series and who knows how competitive this squad would have been in New Zealand last year. They certainly couldn't have been worse as Taylor and Roach were moving the ball as much as Southee and Boult in this series whereas Gabriel and Best didn't move it off the straight.

As I said earlier, I reckon the teams are even on talent but NZ have the match winning mentality that has been developed over the last 3 series and by having a relatively settled side. I'm hopeful now that we are selecting stronger teams and have nearly stumbled upon the best xi, we can start developing that ourselves, starting with a thumping of Bangladesh in a couple of months.
 

Bahnz

Hall of Fame Member
Gayle has to go in ahead of Bravo for the series.
Disagree. The only time Gayle looked even remotely comfortable in this series was the one innings were he had a licence to bat like he was playing a T20. Whenever called upon to play a proper test innings, he looked utterly rubbish. I think he was distinctly lucky to finish the series with the runs that he made. Bravo is still frustratingly hit and miss, but at least he doesn't look like he's going to get out every third ball.
 

hendrix

Hall of Fame Member
Disagree. The only time Gayle looked even remotely comfortable in this series was the one innings were he had a licence to bat like he was playing a T20. Whenever called upon to play a proper test innings, he looked utterly rubbish. I think he was distinctly lucky to finish the series with the runs that he made. Bravo is still frustratingly hit and miss, but at least he doesn't look like he's going to get out every third ball.
Gayle had to see off Southee and Boult with the new ball. One of the most difficult jobs in cricket right now.

But yeah, Bravo scored a century to win a test.
 

kyear2

International Coach
I see Blocky is trolling as usual, but I will try to ignore.

New Zealand the more consistent team and deserving of the win today. Honestly we were one drop catch away from a different result but it's systematic of a rapidly declining Ramdin with the gloves and the possible negative effect of the captaincy. I mentioned it from the first morning that we threw away this game before the toss with the team selection and that is not factoring the absence of Narine, who while I am not convinced about at test level is superior to Benn and a neutered Shillingford.
With this batting lineup we cannot play just 5 batsmen and we paid for it in both innings.

Again great win by N.Z but how one can look at these two teams and say N.Z is miles ahead wasn't watching the same series. Brathwaite is a find and Holder has a chance to be special. He hasn't scratched the surface of his bowling and he looked quite capable with the bat and can be a special no. 8. Blackwood really is a talent and needs to get a run. I don't see Taylor being a long term solution as he showed he struggled to make it through a 3 game series and I really like our young upcoming pacers.

We need a legit test standard no. 3 and Edwards will get the opportunity to prove if he is up for the job or not and we need a long term replacement for Gayle but I am excited for the future of this team, but Ramdin really hurt us in this game with some horrible bowling choices and even worse keeping and he has to focus on one and I would suggest it's his keeping and groom a captain.

Again congrats to the victors, Williamson at three can be special and you have two very good opening bowlers, that's the foundation for a potentially very team, especially teamed with Taylor and Watling.
 
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