GingerBreadMan
School Boy/Girl Captain
Get Latham in the mix
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***Official*** India in New Zealand 2013/14
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Flem274*
123/5
flynn should be no where near the team. failing to outdo papps, guptill and maybe even redmond (haven't checked).
and until he brings front foot drives into his test game he will only ever be a more courageous but ultimately just as rubbish usman khawaja.
some people here like to pick apart the various faults of guptill, but the fact is guptill is more effective and when you pick flynn apart he looks rubbish too.
you can shut flynn down by bowling full outside off, he slashes to deliveries which are too full or moving too much to do it too, he is an lbw candidate, he can't put the ball into gaps and he's the left handed jamie how of 40 and out.
and until he brings front foot drives into his test game he will only ever be a more courageous but ultimately just as rubbish usman khawaja.
some people here like to pick apart the various faults of guptill, but the fact is guptill is more effective and when you pick flynn apart he looks rubbish too.
you can shut flynn down by bowling full outside off, he slashes to deliveries which are too full or moving too much to do it too, he is an lbw candidate, he can't put the ball into gaps and he's the left handed jamie how of 40 and out.
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BackFootPunch
International 12th Man
I'm possibly slightly biased given I'm from Otago but surely we don't replace an opener unless we're sure the guy coming in will do better. I can't say I think any of the alternatives are better than Ruds or Fulton or are likely to give us a significantly better start than we've been getting over the last year.
Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
Answer these questions honestly in a non "I hate the agro-business community way"
1) Does Flynn have courage
2) Does Flynn have a good temperament
3) Is he a scrapper
4) Does he understand his limitations and play within them.
Athlai
Not Terrible
Papps 766 @ 76.60
Flynn 683 @ 48.78
Latham 665 @ 73.88
Guptill 663 @ 94.71
Redmond 507 @ 50.70
Raval 482 @ 37.07
annnnnd last season
Redmond 941 @ 55.35
Papps 810 @ 45.00
Raval 750 @ 44.11
Flynn 622 @ 47.84
Latham 430 @ 33.07
Guptill DNB
wellAlbidarned
International Coach
I think this suggests that he needs to bowl a better length more than the field settings.
Who knows what will happen, they might see him score big in the PS and still pick him.
Flem274*
123/5
yes, yes until he gets a start, yes until he gets near a milestone, sort of
he might have guts, but not converting and technical flaws mean he will only get so far.
Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
On face value from reading it you would say that - but from watching it they are going back to good balls. If him changing his bowling is the answer then he needs to bowl some top spinners and googlies to punish them for going on the back foot to him - top spinners that jump on them would be particularly nasty and if he had one that skidded through that would be even better.
Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
He will never be Glenn Turner agreed. But we just need a role player not a match winner. Not scoring 100s is ok.
Also you are either understating or undervaluing his guts I can't decide.
wellAlbidarned
International Coach
If the batsmen are consistently playing back to good length balls then that's something Sodhi needs to be able to exploit. Setting a field for it will just leave boundary oppurtunities or other wide open spaces. To me it suggests he's just a touch too slow through the air and off the wicket which gives him very little margin for error against good players of spin.
Athlai
Not Terrible
Code:
HD Rutherford 1765 41.04 Otag/Essex/NZ/NZers/NZXI/NZA
PG Fulton 1733 40.30 Cant/NZ/NZers
MJ Guptill 1700 42.50 Auck/Derby/NZers/NZ
DR Flynn 1624 37.76 ND/NZ/NZers
TWM Latham 1578 49.31 Cant/NZA/NZers/NZXI
MHW Papps 1576 56.28 Well
AJ Redmond 1394 48.06 Otag/NZ
JA Raval 1227 42.31 Auck/CD*Doesn't include the games currently being played
Dropping Fulton would be premature, IMO. Not long since he made some tough, valuable runs against England. Deserves to see out the series, at the very least IMO.
Rutherford, on the other hand, shouldn't have the same length of rope. Nothing of any real note since the 176, and finds very poor ways to get dismissed every innings. Latham & Fulton for the rest of the series, IMO.
Not to mention Indian quicks are probably the ideal fast bowlers to introduce Latham with.
Rutherford, on the other hand, shouldn't have the same length of rope. Nothing of any real note since the 176, and finds very poor ways to get dismissed every innings. Latham & Fulton for the rest of the series, IMO.
Not to mention Indian quicks are probably the ideal fast bowlers to introduce Latham with.
Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
I have clicked on "like" to this post as I think we are both correct. Yes you are right he needs to make some bowling adjustments and adjust his speed. Yes I am right they need to cut off that shot because right now he can't get three balls in a row at the same guy. Their footwork is superb and even if he bowls a bit quicker they are still going to do it. I wasn't expecting this tactic because they didn't do this to Jeets.
"Setting a field for it will just leave boundary oppurtunities" - that is ok - that havn't tried to hit him over the top once - give them a gap. Every ball he is bowling is dangerous and they are nullifying him through a pre-thought out game plan.
When I was taught how to play spin overseas - (they don't teach you in NZ at lower levels) everyone said get back and get back and get back and then come forward when he starts to adjust his length and speed to counteract you and you can drive him.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
GGG
State Captain
What the heck! Talk about chalk and cheese between waking up yesterday and today. I am sure it has been discussed but what is the consensus of non enforcing the follow on? Looks like we ran through them so the ball must of been doing a bit, the bowlers had a nights rest and didn't bowl that many overs. I am at a loss.