***Official*** India in New Zealand 2013/14

[_Ed_]

Wasn't Neesham's biggest fan after his poor game in Hamilton, but he's totally redeemed himself.

 

[benchmark00]

How long are India going to persist with the outdated death bowling plans? It's absolutely pathetic. The game's changed ffs.

 

[straw man]

I think their new death bowling plan is to refuse to tour NZ ever again

 

[benchmark00]

I think their new death bowling plan is to refuse to tour NZ ever again

Nothing to do with NZ or anything else, their death bowling has been trash for a long time now. Check this stat out:

@mohanstatsman: Totals conceded by India from Oct 2013
304/8
359/5
304/6
295/8
350/6
326
211
289/8
263/5
358/4
280/6
301/8
292/7
271/7
314
280/3
303/5

 

[Athlai]

Shami is a pretty serviceable death bowler. Decent find for India.

Isn't brilliant but they could go a lot worse.

 

[benchmark00]

It's unbelievable. How Dawes still has a job is beyond me. It's not the fact that they don't have any decent fast bowlers, it's that they don't have any proper plans.

Now that there's only four allowed outside the circle you've gotta isolate, isolate, isolate.

That means making the batsmen hit to only one area of the ground. That way you can defend.

Bowling at the stumps at the death these days is probably the stupidest tactic there is, it's way too big of a gamble, it allows a batsman hit 360 degrees instead of 180, max.

 

[OverratedSanity]

It's unbelievable. How Dawes still has a job is beyond me. It's not the fact that they don't have any decent fast bowlers, it's that they don't have any proper plans.

Now that there's only four allowed outside the circle you've gotta isolate, isolate, isolate.

That means making the batsmen hit to only one area of the ground. That way you can defend.

Bowling at the stumps at the death these days is probably the stupidest tactic there is, it's way too big of a gamble, it allows a batsman hit 360 degrees instead of 180, max.

Absolutely. Bowling full deliveries just inside the white line outside off with a third man is such an obviously good plan, I'm dumbstruck why we never do it

 

[ohnoitsyou]

All of that is based on the assumption that no one can bowl a yorker anymore

 

[benchmark00]

All of that is based on the assumption that no one can bowl a yorker anymore

It really has nothing to do with bowling a yorker. Bowlers today are just as good, if not better, at bowling them as any time in the games history, the thing that's changed is that batsmen are now much more prepared to use the depth of their crease to get back and turn that Yorker into a short half volley or they get forward and turn it into a full toss. The margin for error is much smaller today than it ever has, that's why to bowl a good yorker on the stumps these days is so much harder to do, and it comes down to luck as it requires the batsmen to get himself into a yorkable position. Bats are also more bottom heavy which means those almost half volleys which were good Yorkers 7 years ago are just able to be lifted to any part of the ground depending where the batsman moves (gives himself room or gets inside to line or stays still and goes straight down the ground)

 

[Jono]

India in not getting wickets shocker.

 

[ohnoitsyou]

It really has nothing to do with bowling a yorker. Bowlers today are just as good, if not better, at bowling them as any time in the games history, the thing that's changed is that batsmen are now much more prepared to use the depth of their crease to get back and turn that Yorker into a short half volley or they get forward and turn it into a full toss. The margin for error is much smaller today than it ever has, that's why to bowl a good yorker on the stumps these days is so much harder to do, and it comes down to luck as it requires the batsmen to get himself into a yorkable position. Bats are also more bottom heavy which means those almost half volleys which were good Yorkers 7 years ago are just able to be lifted to any part of the ground depending where the batsman moves (gives himself room or gets inside to line or stays still and goes straight down the ground)

Because short and wide is soooo much better

 

[Jono]

Who gives a **** about the death bowling? Well okay I do. But these ****s need to take wickets earlier so their **** death bowling is not exposed by teams having 6-7 wickets in the shed come the 40th over or whatever. Yes their plans are horrific and their execution of their ****ty plans are bad anyway. But fmd stop putting yourself in that position.

They are **** right now. No doubt. In fact its amazing they haven't had to chase 330+ more often this series. I reckon NZ have gone easy on the ****s.

 

[Dan]

Should have been Al Snow putting himself through a table, IMO.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Bats are also more bottom heavy which means those almost half volleys which were good Yorkers 7 years ago are just able to be lifted to any part of the ground depending where the batsman moves (gives himself room or gets inside to line or stays still and goes straight down the ground)

This is very true. Wasim is someone who's said on numerous occasions that Dhoni's helicopter wouldn't have been possible at all with the older bats. They'd probably just snap in half

 

[Jono]

Should have been Al Snow putting himself through a table, IMO.

Nah because that would be damaging a wooden object, i.e. hitting stumps. Something India is incapable of doing right now.

Elbow dropping an imaginary person whilst pantless is the perfect symbol.

 

[straw man]

It really has nothing to do with bowling a yorker. Bowlers today are just as good, if not better, at bowling them as any time in the games history, the thing that's changed is that batsmen are now much more prepared to use the depth of their crease to get back and turn that Yorker into a short half volley or they get forward and turn it into a full toss. The margin for error is much smaller today than it ever has, that's why to bowl a good yorker on the stumps these days is so much harder to do, and it comes down to luck as it requires the batsmen to get himself into a yorkable position. Bats are also more bottom heavy which means those almost half volleys which were good Yorkers 7 years ago are just able to be lifted to any part of the ground depending where the batsman moves (gives himself room or gets inside to line or stays still and goes straight down the ground)

This is all true, and to add to that batsmen seem a whole lot better at murdering slower balls these days too. It's even harder than before to be a death bowler (NZ have been plenty rubbish at this for a while too) unless perhaps you're an unconventional quick like Malinga.

 

[hendrix]

India have actually been decent in the last 5 overs for much of this series. Better than NZ, even.

it's between 10-45 that they've been destroyed.

 

[Mike5181]

Woo!

 

[Bahnz]

Ghastly effort there by Mills.

 

[Prensel]

Ghastly effort there by Mills.

Not even Martin Guptill would of been able to get that