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***Official*** India in South Africa 2013/14

smash84

smash84

The Tiger King
well played SA and congratulations on winning the series

Well played India for not handing over the series to SA on a platter
 
SeamUp

SeamUp

International Coach
kykweer.proteas said:
yep im talking like from 2015 onwards. give morkel another year to be on the verge of greatness...
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Hope he can do but I wouldn't be surprised if some of our up-and-coming young quicks eventually over take him and he may well become a T20 bowler for us. Two 2-over spells and all that.
 
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MrPrez

MrPrez

International Debutant
Prince EWS said:
Yeah there's nothing wrong with him batting four in ODIs; that's a bit different, especially since he doesn't always keep in those anyway. I just think asking someone to bat four and keep is a bit much, especially when Faf and de Kock both exist and he's doing well at five anyway. Even if nothing else I think it's just unnecessary. I'd absolutely bat him at four if he didn't have the gloves, but I think it's one or the other.
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Yeah fair enough, I'm working under the premise that de Kock is coming into the team soon, but he isn't quite ready. I'd absolutely bat ABDV four and let him keep for the next few months, in which SA only have a few Tests, rather than push Du Plessis up to 4, and then push him down a few months later when de Kock debuts.
 
Prince EWS

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
MrPrez said:
Yeah Pews, even as is, Duminy is only a fraction worse than Peterson, and with a bit more focus on his bowling, would eclipse him imo.
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Yeah Duminy has a much better action than Robbie P as is; I think if he was told he was picked as an allrounder then he'd improve his bowling and become just as good if not better than him with the ball. If it's not turning or not his day then you've got four frontline seamers to turn to anyway. Different story if you're playing in the subcontinent as you'd want more than "half a spinner" and four seamers would be a waste of resources, but in South Africa I really do think it's the go.
 
MrPrez

MrPrez

International Debutant
Guys Morkel is our best bowler, we just don't know it yet.

Well, I do, but you guys don't. When the going gets tough, Morkel stands up. Or he just stays seated; he still "stands" taller than most of the team while seated.
 
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Garson007

State Vice-Captain
I also think an extra seamer will give Morkel more competition. As things stand the other two are so far ahead that it's difficult to judge how well Morkel is doing. Healthy for our setup if there was one more, imho.
 
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SeamUp

SeamUp

International Coach
Prince EWS said:
Yeah the way I'd be looking at it is this.

Duminy is the fifth bowler now. If the fifth bowler counts as half a bowler, then your choices become..

Choice A: 4 seamers, 0.5 spinners
Choice B: 3 seamers, 1.5 spinners

In South African conditions I would overwhelming vote for A, especially given the fact that Abbott is a better bowler than Robbie P in terms of pure quality. It was different when Kallis when the fifth bowler as 3.5 seamers and 1 spinner - the ideal balance for RSA conditions really - was a far better balance and 4.5 seamers and no spinners.
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Yup, pretty much summed up to a tee.

I think we will mixing and matching for a while really both at home, away from sub-continent and in the sub-continent.

Just sums up Jacques Kallis really.
 
Prince EWS

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
MrPrez said:
Yeah fair enough, I'm working under the premise that de Kock is coming into the team soon, but he isn't quite ready. I'd absolutely bat ABDV four and let him keep for the next few months, in which SA only have a few Tests, rather than push Du Plessis up to 4, and then push him down a few months later when de Kock debuts.
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Yeah it'd certainly be weird to tell du Plessis he was the new #4 and then randomly drop him down to #5 a couple of months because you brought a new keeper in. If you think de Kock is going to be in the side in a couple of months then the whole thing becomes complicated really because the new batsman might perform and become undroppable as a result; you'd be better off just picking de Kock now if you were that confident in it eventuating shortly.

South African selectors will probably do what none of us have suggested though and just bring Tsolekile in for Kallis and leave Robbie P where he is. :p
 
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Garson007

State Vice-Captain
Prince EWS said:
South African selectors will probably do what none of us have suggested though and just bring Tsolekile in for Kallis and leave Robbie P where he is. :p
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I think we have selectors block when it comes to spin. The same thing has been indoctrinated ad nauseam for decades that we need a world class spinner, that they'll completely forget that 0.5 is enough of a spinner in South Africa.
 
kykweer.proteas

kykweer.proteas

International Debutant
Prince EWS said:
Yeah it'd certainly be weird to tell du Plessis he was the new #4 and then randomly drop him down to #5 a couple of months because you brought a new keeper in. If you think de Kock is going to be in the side in a couple of months then the whole thing becomes complicated really because the new batsman might perform and become undroppable as a result; you'd be better off just picking de Kock now if you were that confident in it eventuating shortly.

South African selectors will probably do what none of us have suggested though and just bring Tsolekile in for Kallis and leave Robbie P where he is. :p
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haha the new batsman performing is a good thing in my opinion.
 
MrPrez

MrPrez

International Debutant
Don't see Tsolekile being selected - it has been made rather clear that a keeper at 7 (aside from a genuinely strong batsman like de Kock) is not considered viable. Definitely see them pushing Du Plessis to 4 before playing Tsolekile at 7. He's only really in the squad because of his skin colour and because they'd rather put de Kock in when they feel he's ready than rush him in as an injury replacement, which is essentially tsokeile's role in the squad.
 
MrPrez

MrPrez

International Debutant
Definitely see Robbie P staying in though regardless of what happens with Tsolekile. Unfortunately.
 
Prince EWS

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Also, someone please VM me or something when Harmer's going to be on TV. I've still only seen him bowl about ten deliveries in my entire life and I wasn't keeping a close eye. Starting to grate me.
 
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