***Official*** West Indies in New Zealand 2013/14

[MW1304]

I think we need runs from Rutherford here because I can see the middle order really stuttering with this scoreboard pressure.
Fair to say that it was a poor bowling effort after having them 5-90.

And I'll just repeat that when you're bowling to the tail you can afford to bowl 10, 12 over spells with your strike bowler because you know he won't need to bowl again in the day. What we're seeing is A team captaincy and I don't like it.

Anyway, it's over now.

A 12 over spell?? That's hard enough at any stage, whether he'll bowl again in the day or later that month or whatever is irrelevant.

 

[hendrix]

A 12 over spell?? That's hard enough at any stage, whether he'll bowl again in the day or later that month or whatever is irrelevant.

People bowl 10 over spells in school cricket. These guys should be able to handle that easily.

 

[Bahnz]

Not a bad session for either side and WI finish with a par score. Big pressure on Ruds now.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

People bowl 10 over spells in school cricket. These guys should be able to handle that easily.

they may be fitter but the strain international bowlers go through is exponentially worse that schoolboy bowlers. Not a fitting comparison, there's a reason international bowlers get injured all the time.

 

[Kippax]

 

[MW1304]

People bowl 10 over spells in school cricket. These guys should be able to handle that easily.

I think you're seriously underestimating the strain of a grown man bowling mid 80s, not to mention an injury prone one, in comparison to a schoolboy.

 

[Flem274*]

People bowl 10 over spells in school cricket. These guys should be able to handle that easily.

School kids don't bowl 130-150kph for 20 overs a day ffs

 

[hendrix]

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this. Plenty of international fast bowlers manage long hard spells, especially to tail enders when they're actually taking wickets.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this. Plenty of international fast bowlers manage long hard spells, especially to tail enders when they're actually taking wickets.

plenty of sides aren't as ****ed as we are if said fast bowlers get injured

 

[thierry henry]

I think you're seriously underestimating the strain of a grown man bowling mid 80s, not to mention an injury prone one, in comparison to a schoolboy.

I'm interested by this logic. Surely international standard fast bowlers are capable of bowling mid-80s due to a combination of factors which relate in many ways to their inherent athleticism and physical attributes? It's not simply a case of "Southee bowls 85mph so there's more strain on his body then an unathletic fat guy straining with all his might to bowl 65mph"? If you're striving to the limit of your physical capacity isn't it an equal strain?

 

[Flem274*]

Hamish Rutherford has six singles in the entire series

 

[hendrix]

This is the best they've bowled in the series. Good stuff from both these two.

 

[hendrix]

Jesus Sammy can look like a really good cricketer on some occasions. This is lovely bowling if I'm being honest.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

I'm interested by this logic. Surely international standard fast bowlers are capable of bowling mid-80s due to a combination of factors which relate in many ways to their inherent athleticism and physical attributes? It's not simply a case of "Southee bowls 85mph so there's more strain on his body then an unathletic fat guy straining with all his might to bowl 65mph"? If you're striving to the limit of your physical capacity isn't it an equal strain?

by that logic the faster the bowler the less injury prone they should be.

 

[Hurricane]

Like how fulton is batting,

 

[Flem274*]

@ Hendrix I might be behind you if you're watching on an actual television and yet to see a couple of balls but he's bowled better imo. This is fluctuating between being a bit too short or a bit too wide to really threaten on a consistent basis. His morning spell to McCullum in the other test was much better.

Good copying of the ball whinging though.

 

[MW1304]

I'm interested by this logic. Surely international standard fast bowlers are capable of bowling mid-80s due to a combination of factors which relate in many ways to their inherent athleticism and physical attributes? It's not simply a case of "Southee bowls 85mph so there's more strain on his body then an unathletic fat guy straining with all his might to bowl 65mph"? If you're striving to the limit of your physical capacity isn't it an equal strain?

I'm no physiological expert my man, but I would assume that the physical exertions of an elite fast bowler exceed that which a human body is used to coping with to a greater extent than your unfit bloke down the street. Sure the training they do and their natural attributes (flexibility, strength etc.) would help with susceptibility, but the strain produced by running that bit faster, striving for that bit more would be unnatural, I reckon. Is why you see so many more professionals getting injured compared to 12 year olds, especially at the start of a career. Dunno.

 

[thierry henry]

by that logic the faster the bowler the less injury prone they should be.

No- by that logic the more one strains themselves to the maximum of their physical capabilities the more exhausted they will get and the more injury prone they will be.

Makes sense because if you look at guys bowling mid-80s and guys bowling mid-90s there often isn't much between them in terms of raw physical attributes, but maybe the faster bowler has found a method (perhaps an unusual bowling action or whatever) which enables him to extract more from his body but it's also more taxing on him.

I write this from the perspective of a fat, totally unfit opening bowler in low-level club cricket. I'm straining myself as much as I'm capable of with a body that probably has no business trying to bowl fast. To me it seems logical that I'd be more susceptible to injury than someone straining to bowl fast who is actually fit and athletic. Also, the fit person should surely be able to bowl more overs on the trot without tiring?

 

[hendrix]

@ Hendrix I might be behind you if you're watching on an actual television and yet to see a couple of balls but he's bowled better imo. This is fluctuating between being a bit too short or a bit too wide to really threaten on a consistent basis. His morning spell to McCullum in the other test was much better.

Good copying of the ball whinging though.

I'm watching on an actual television. Really? too short and wide? Nah, maybe Best but Sammy's last over to Fulton was superb I thought. Actually thought Fulton would nick off on 4/6 deliveries.

 

[wellAlbidarned]

No- by that logic the more one strains themselves to the maximum of their physical capabilities the more exhausted they will get and the more injury prone they will be.

Makes sense because if you look at guys bowling mid-80s and guys bowling mid-90s there often isn't much between them in terms of raw physical attributes, but maybe the faster bowler has found a method (perhaps an unusual bowling action or whatever) which enables him to extract more from his body but it's also more taxing on him.

I write this from the perspective of a fat, totally unfit opening bowler in low-level club cricket. I'm straining myself as much as I'm capable of with a body that probably has no business trying to bowl fast. To me it seems logical that I'd be more susceptible to injury than someone straining to bowl fast who is actually fit and athletic. Also, the fit person should surely be able to bowl more overs on the trot without tiring?

when you're unfit you're not pushing your body's capabilities though, you're pushing your FITNESS capabilities. The more athletic and fit you are the more you're able to push your body's physical limits which is why higher level players get injured more than lower level players.