***Official*** West Indies in New Zealand 2013/14

[Hurricane]

Him over the next 18 months, Then yes you are right all bets are off.

Even if Flynn is different from him (and can't drive) he has a better temperament, and more experience and is a top order player so is better equipped to make runs and he only averaged 26 that was my point. The flaws you noted in Flynn's game do not bring him beneath Jimmy at this stage.

 

[Hurricane]

I wonder how close Boam would have been to selection if he hadn't taken the year off. Was definitely a better bat than Neesham but had stagnated at Wellington while for Neesham the best thing he ever did for his career was to get out of Auckland.

I think McHesson have decided that to take 20 wickets in NZ they need 5 bowlers, of the seam bowling allrounders going around, Ellis, Wells, Neesham, Munro, CdG, Stewart, Franklin. Neesham has the superior potential as a bowler to compliment the Southee-Boult attack, as a FC batsman he is probably the worse of the lot with his runs this year coming after the 40 over mark at a run a ball, and he is really only equipped at the moment for LO cricket but he may develop.

super post,

 

[Flem274*]

Flynn has a very good temperament but I think the domestic game hides some flaws more than others. Flynn doesn't need (or didn't need - seems to be having a rougher time of it this season) to be able to drive on the front foot in the Shield because he knows the bowling isn't as consistent and he will get more loose deliveries in his scoring zones and he can make some huge scores. In tests this doesn't happen as often so bowlers can sit in his no score zone all day and eventually get him out for 26 (80). Neesham is more likely to translate his fast 20s and 30s from the Shield into tests because he's a very good attacking batsman, but the wicket ball will come sooner so he probably won't score more than the 20s and 30s. So I guess what I'm trying to say is Neesham is more likely to replicate his current domestic output in test matches than Flynn, but neither should be considered for the test side on their batting prowess right now.

 

[hendrix]

I think McHesson have decided that to take 20 wickets in NZ they need 5 bowlers, of the seam bowling allrounders going around, Ellis, Wells, Neesham, Munro, CdG, Stewart, Franklin. Neesham has the superior potential as a bowler to compliment the Southee-Boult attack,.

I like Neesham but at this point in time I'd be picking Wells. The more I look at Wells' figures the more they scream out to me that he's someone at the peak of his powers with bat and ball and knows his game well.

But yeah, certainly not complaining about the Neesham selection and it's definitely not left field in terms of development.

 

[Flem274*]

If Anderson is out I'd rather they just picked the next best cricketer tbh and it's probably a middle order batsman like Brownlie. Give KW Anderson's overs.

I don't remember Wells scoring many runs this year. Both of his dismissals to Franklin and Jeets in the game just gone were very tame.

 

[cricmahanty]

When was the last time NZ won a test series against any one of the rest 7 top opposition ?

Counting back, I can't seem to find one.

 

[Prince EWS]

Neesham's a really curious call-up for mine. Brownlie was apparently really close to playing ahead of Anderson in Bangladesh, and that was despite the fact that the pitches were flat and New Zealand were playing two spinners. Now all of a sudden when there are already three seamers in the side, you're 1-0 with one to play, your best allrounder is injured, your second best allrounder is wholly unproven, it's mandatory to play one? You obviously shouldn't be looking to go into a match playing for a draw as such, but I definitely think Brownlie is much more likely to be the difference between you winning the series and not winning the series from here than Nessham. I think it's a poor pick based on that.

A lot must have changed in Hesson's mind between pre-Bangladesh and now - I guess Anderson's contributions with the ball in taking key wickets, Wagner's poor form and New Zealand's inability to quite get the job done with the ball in the first Test (and indeed in Bangladesh itself) are all contributing factors to that.

 

[Prince EWS]

When was the last time NZ won a test series against any one of the rest 7 top opposition ?

Counting back, I can't seem to find one.

Home series against the West Indies in 2005/06.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

Clearly it's because Neesham plays for Otago, Cribb. [hegemonyconspiracy]

 

[RxGM]

Taylor moves up to number 6 in the ICC rankings, he is only 35 points from Clarke in 3rd place (he got 39 points for his innings in wellington)

And Boult break’s into the top 10.

Reliance ICC Player Rankings

 

[Athlai]

Taylor wag

 

[lockton2skipper]

How is jesse ryder going to be fitted back into the test side, which he will have to be, will anderson be the one to drop or one of the openers ? the obvious one is the captain !! but that's not going to happen is it ?

 

[Days of Grace]

I can't see Ryder playing test cricket as long as McCullum/Wagner/Sodhi is in the side. McCullum is very unlikely to go back to being an opener, and we need an allrounder in the top six if we continue to play an expensive third-seamer and a leg spinner.

 

[straw man]

Taylor moves up to number 6 in the ICC rankings, he is only 35 points from Clarke in 3rd place (he got 39 points for his innings in wellington)

And Boult break’s into the top 10.

Reliance ICC Player Rankings

Wow that's a fast rise for Boult - iirc only the other week he was down around 20th.

 

[SteveNZ]

Neesham's not good enough to be a test match number 7. I don't see him averaging more than 25 tops. Would be a solid number 8.

I can assure you he is, sir. He's good enough to be a six, as well. He's a batting all-rounder. He's every bit as talented as Jake Oram, who held down 5 or 6 and scored five Test hundreds. He's a slightly better bowler, hits it almost as clean, from what I know probably plays the short ball better and has the right level of confidence to make it all work.

The only thing that will hold him back is striking a balance between being a limited-overs gun and finding a Test game as well.

Of course that is all in my humble opinion, no one likes a know all

 

[straw man]

we could just take the Mark Richardson approach and put Jesse down as test opener with no explanation whatsoever

 

[Flem274*]

I never realised Ojha was so high. Well done to the bloke. I remember first seeing him and thinking he wasn't up to much. Hilfenhaus still being number 18 is istl considering he hasn't played in yonks.

Anyway, here's footage of noted foot mover Jacob Oram scoring a test ton against SA

I think Steve is right. Give JimmyGS a few years and he might be an Oram standard batsman, but a better bowler and hopefully a lot less injury prone, which would make him a really good player.

 

[BeeGee]

Anyway, here's footage of noted foot mover Jacob Oram scoring a test ton against SA

Paul "frog in a blender" Adams' action never fails to amuse. It's like he's challenging the batsman to guess which of his flailing limbs the ball is going to appear out of.

 

[Binkley]

Taylor moves up to number 6 in the ICC rankings, he is only 35 points from Clarke in 3rd place (he got 39 points for his innings in wellington)

And Boult break’s into the top 10.

Reliance ICC Player Rankings

I am pretty sure Taylor's rating score is the highest ever by a New Zealander. Crowe didn't even get close, and it think Turner has been the only other guy to pass 800. Unfortunately I can't check right now though, but someone else might be keen enough to look into this.

 

[straw man]

We looked at that in this thread a while back; Glenn Turner achieved 845 at one point and Taylor's score is now second to that.

... not that I'd read too much into those scores at that level of detail