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**Official** New Zealand Domestic Season 2013/2014
- Thread starter Kippax
- Start date
But why did CD bat so long this morning? Did they really think Auckland would get 349 from 73 overs? As pace bowling is their strength, why wouldn't they have wanted at least 5 overs with a second new ball?
Immenso
International Vice-Captain
Good article, I'm delighted with how well he has been going this season in his comeback to FC cricket.
Good on him.
Kippax
Cricketer Of The Year
The deep shame of cutting a deal with Wellington last month and losing.
Anyway, Heinrich's in an awkward spot with KNB as captain tbh. "Thanks Kieran, but I really liked the South African-style no-nonsense run production of this guy who averages 45 to your 30, Hay. We've got a good biffer in Trego for now, thanks".
ohnoitsyou
International Regular
So after 4 rounds Canterbury are top with Wellington in second 
Flem274*
123/5
I can't remember if it was here or cricsim I picked Canterbury to win it because they were the most likely team to retain most of their good players from international duty. Looking good so far, even though half the top order can barely buy a run. How many 50s has Brownlie scored in a row btw? Seems to get a start every game then fail to convert.
Frustrating draw for CD. The patented Plunket Tail Wag strikes again. We desperately need some runs because 4-7 can't save us every game. I wonder if Smith has changed his technique from last season too, since I didn't recognise him the first time I watched him in the vault this year and I remember him having a compact How/Cachopa hybrid style, but maybe that is just my memory playing tricks on me.
Frustrating draw for CD. The patented Plunket Tail Wag strikes again. We desperately need some runs because 4-7 can't save us every game. I wonder if Smith has changed his technique from last season too, since I didn't recognise him the first time I watched him in the vault this year and I remember him having a compact How/Cachopa hybrid style, but maybe that is just my memory playing tricks on me.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Phlegm's just reminded me that I never ended up making a post in here after my seeing Hay in the vault, so I thought I'd do so now. His footwork was by and large very good - predominately a back foot player but he got forward when it was pitched up and even played a very nice drives off the spinners, and he has a good defensive setup on both foot.. He was very good at using the pace of the quicks to hit the ball behind square, as we've always heard.
His front foot game against the quicks, despite reasonably footwork, still leaves a lot to be desired though. He definitely likes to throw his hands at it outside off even when his feet aren't quite there (which isn't a criticism of his footwork as much as his shot selection, as such) and he definitely isn't a player you'd ever accuse of having "time". I reckon the first thing every batting coach he's had would try to do with him is change that backlift; he basically goes through the initial whole process of playing a shot 1.5 times every ball, which gives him less time to actually get his hands through, creating the appearance of being so late on everything. I can definitely see why he wasn't particularly high in the Test match pecking order earlier on despite his good numbers but he should be in the CD team.
His front foot game against the quicks, despite reasonably footwork, still leaves a lot to be desired though. He definitely likes to throw his hands at it outside off even when his feet aren't quite there (which isn't a criticism of his footwork as much as his shot selection, as such) and he definitely isn't a player you'd ever accuse of having "time". I reckon the first thing every batting coach he's had would try to do with him is change that backlift; he basically goes through the initial whole process of playing a shot 1.5 times every ball, which gives him less time to actually get his hands through, creating the appearance of being so late on everything. I can definitely see why he wasn't particularly high in the Test match pecking order earlier on despite his good numbers but he should be in the CD team.
Flem274*
123/5
I did.
There's a shot in there off Michael Bates (iirc) where he just treated him with disdain. He saw it so early and even though it would have been a high risk shot to someone 10kph faster, he just put it through his favourite area regardless and make it look so easy.
But yeah as I said in my own post, everyone who has seen him must be amazed by that ridiculous backlift. Martin Crowe, that well known lover of huge back lifts, will kill a puppy the day he sees it.
edit: which two would you have picked for England 2008 out of interest, now you have seen all three bat: Marshall, Flynn, Hay?
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Prince EWS
Global Moderator
I know, that's why I brought it up.I did.
I think he sees it early enough, that's why he can "get away" with that backlift, but it does make it appear as if he's rushing to play his shot at the last minute all the time despite getting into position early, which is really strange. I suppose you could say that he has time but doesn't use it effectively.
Flem274*
123/5
I guess the main issue with high backlifts is they leave you vulnerable to being beaten for pace. We've had all time greats with huge backlifts, but they're not the norm. The angle Hay's bat comes down at is also something I've been thinking about since he has to rotate the blade and get the bat down quick enough to close the gate. I'd be interested to know how he handles an inswing fast bowler like Adam Milne in the nets, and in a match situation as soon as Hay came in I would get my inswing or fast bowler on. But hey (Hay), maybe he will prove he is one of those special few who can get away with it (he definitely can in the Shield). He wouldn't be the first or the last and he has good footwork which is essential if you're going to have a backlift like that so you can at least get decisively forward or back (CdG springs to mind as someone with a Hay-esque backlift but poor footwork).
), maybe he will prove he is one of those special few who can get away with it (he definitely can in the Shield). He wouldn't be the first or the last and he has good footwork which is essential if you're going to have a backlift like that so you can at least get decisively forward or back (CdG springs to mind as someone with a Hay-esque backlift but poor footwork).
hendrix
Hall of Fame Member
The outcome is what matters; if you have a high backlift, you better be able to see a ball, adjust for movement and play it late. Because most with a high backlift cant.
Conversely, if you have a low backlift, you better be able to drive down the ground. Because most with a low backlift can't.
Conversely, if you have a low backlift, you better be able to drive down the ground. Because most with a low backlift can't.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
It's a bit different wiuth Hay though in that it's not so much the height of the backlift but how much there is to it - up down, up, down again - it takes up more time to do all that, which prevents him from getting his arms through and driving down the ground, something a high backlift should actually help. That's why his best shots are square off the back foot.
HeathDavisSpeed
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Had a good read of the club cricket results this morning. Taita defeated Easts away at Kilbirnie! Defeats for Easts don't come along often, so make the most of it. I think it was by 9 runs in the end - Taita's score underpinned by a 50 from Walsh and 39 from Mark Houghton. Houghton then took 3 in the Easts innings. The Dominion Post failing to credit Lance Dry's bowling figures with the couple of wickets he took on the scorecard another highlight. 3 run outs for Easts too. Another surprise was Karori being soundly beaten by Hutt Districts.
I'm a bit confused as to how things work for the 50 over tournament, but according to Cricket Wellington, the league table looks like this:
Top 4:
Eastern Suburbs 33;
Taita 32;
Hutt District 27;
Karori 24;
Repecharge 8:
Upper Hutt 27;
Wellington Collegians 24;
Petone-Eastbourne 22;
Johnsonville 20;
Wellington U20 19;
University 15;
Onslow 12;
North City 9;
Wainuiomata 0;
Naenae Old Boys 0
I'm a bit confused as to how things work for the 50 over tournament, but according to Cricket Wellington, the league table looks like this:
Top 4:
Eastern Suburbs 33;
Taita 32;
Hutt District 27;
Karori 24;
Repecharge 8:
Upper Hutt 27;
Wellington Collegians 24;
Petone-Eastbourne 22;
Johnsonville 20;
Wellington U20 19;
University 15;
Onslow 12;
North City 9;
Wainuiomata 0;
Naenae Old Boys 0
Kippax
Cricketer Of The Year
Disappointed Weerasundara hasn't got Johnsonville into the Pearce Cup. He's on Siddons' radar though, played okay in a virtual Firebirds trial match in the Tararua Shield yesterday -
CricHQ | Wellington Rep., Hutt Valley vs Wellington Rep., Wellington City
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Lance Dry also on Siddons's radar.
Kippax
Cricketer Of The Year
Lance Dry is the radar itbt, he's a co-selector with Siddons for Wellington A -
Provincial A | Cricket Wellington
Weerasundara hopeful he's done enough.
Provincial A | Cricket Wellington
Weerasundara hopeful he's done enough.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
$20 says he tries to select himself.
Kippax
Cricketer Of The Year
Wouldn't be without merit -
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