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***Official*** West Indies in India 2013
- Thread starter JontyPanesar
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centurymaker
Cricketer Of The Year
Love how this game is finishing inside 3 days like the last one. (It might even end quickly tomorrow which would be even better)
IMO Tests should be 4 days max.
IMO Tests should be 4 days max.
Furball
Evil Scotsman
Was identical to his innings vs the Windies in 2011 when he was chasing the 100th. Looked imperious then got out from nowhere.Didn't see any of what will likely be the last Tendulkar innings. It sucksStill filled with lots of emotions.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
So sad. The SA series going to be so weird without him in the lineup. Even when he wasn't the best player in the lineup (e.g when Dravid was clearly the best batsman in the team), the fact that Sachin was there gave you comfort.
Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
yeah so true.
JontyPanesar
U19 Vice-Captain
Do Manjrekar, Agarkar, and Raunak all have to wear purple shirts?
Btw Manjrekar has been awesome to listen to and follow in this series. Where was all this bite to his commentary when he was on the tv?
Btw Manjrekar has been awesome to listen to and follow in this series. Where was all this bite to his commentary when he was on the tv?
JontyPanesar
U19 Vice-Captain
Gayle, you absolute tool. As if your team is just swimming in runs...
JontyPanesar
U19 Vice-Captain
Ojha proving why he's the best Indian spinner. He has great control over his line, length, and pace. And gives it a nice rip too. Ashwin might have more upside, but he is not the better spinner atm
Ashwin is a king when he is free to attack, but I have real doubts about his ability to defend and tie up an end.
Ashwin is a king when he is free to attack, but I have real doubts about his ability to defend and tie up an end.
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Shri
Mr. Glass
Ojha is a one paced spinner. He needs very specific pitches like this to be effective. Godd defensive players have no trouble playing him like we saw in the England series. Equal to Ash at best. I think he is worse than him.
Contra
Cricketer Of The Year
Ojha was our best bowler in that series though, not to say he's better than Ashwin (he's not).
JontyPanesar
U19 Vice-Captain
A one paced spinner? Did you see some of the flighted deliveries he took wickets with in the first innings? Those were beautiful to watch.
Ojha was far and away India's best bowler in the England series. Don't even try to say Ashwin was equal to him. Ashwin was bowling his filthy line and seemed totally unaware that Cook is an incompetent at driving full and wide deliveries. Just get it full pitching on or even outside off. Instead, Ashwin was obsessed with bowling it on his pads hoping for a leg slip to come into play. On the rare occasion that Cook gambled with his feet and carved it out of the park, Ashwin would predictably fire the next ball down leg side, rather than force Cook to use his bow-legs again to drive the ball (he seemed to finally learn during the Kolkata 4th innings but it was too late then). Really horrendous tour for Ashwin. Ojha wasn't great, but hardly had a nightmare of a tour like Ashwin.
Overseas spin bowling is really about defense. Just keep things tight. Ojha does this far better than Ashwin. Ashwin is obsessed with attacking.
Ashwin has more skills and a better action, but if he can't keep it accurate, he could be the weak link in the Indian attack overseas. If Ashwin can gain full control of his line and length and be smart enough to bowl the right lines, he'll be amazing. I'm rooting for him
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JontyPanesar
U19 Vice-Captain
Ojha...gun 
Shri
Mr. Glass
Ash was ****ing terrible in the England series yeah. What I was trying to say is, that was Ojha's best series as a bowler. Compare that with Ashwin's best series as a bowler and the difference in quality is pretty damn obvious. Ojha's best series as a bowler saw him constantly giving away 100-150 runs in an innings when he got 4+ wickets in an innings. When Ashwin gets wickets, he rarely leaks that many. Ojha struggles in pitches that have slow turn(because he can't bowl quick enough to compensate) or pitches with variable bounce(because he isn't as tall as Ashwin).
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JontyPanesar
U19 Vice-Captain
That was Ojha's best series as a bowler? He did pretty damn well when WI toured last time around.
When Ashwin gets wickets, it's usually on a rank turner, hardly representative of what will happen elsewhere. You think Ojha struggles on slow turners or pitches with variable bounce? Maybe so, but he's not gonna go for 4 or 5 an over if he's given a containment job.
What did Ashwin do in Australia? He just leaked runs left and right and bowls that whacky middle-leg line. Ojha doesn't have the wicket-taking ability of Ashwin, but he maintains a far more consistent and sane line&length. The ability to hold up an end is important in spin-unfriendly conditions, which is precisely where Ashwin hasn't really impressed.
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JontyPanesar
U19 Vice-Captain
I also want to reiterate that if he gets his accuracy right (and it has been improving though it still isn't where it needs to be), he'll be the best spinner in the world (better than Swann and Ajmal). The revs he gets, the genuine variety he has with his top-spinner and slider (screw that carrom ball nonsense), he can get prodigious turn, dip, and drift.