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**Official English County Cricket 2013**

91Jmay

International Coach
Was 'down' on pace in Australia, but did pretty well. Tremlett generally bowls around 83/84mph when I've seen him. It's his height and bounce that make him dangerous, and I think it's pretty obvious that he'd have done a much better job in this Test match than Kerrigan and Woakes.
I don't think it's obvious he'd be better than Woakes at all. Nothing about this pitch suggests a guy who relies on bounce is going to be effective on it. Kerrigan is obvious as he couldn't be any worse.
 

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Cabinet's ****ing obsessed with reminding everyone that Tremlett's lost pace but plainly saying he's been 'slower that Woakes' is somewhat disingenuous
Well Tremlett was bowling 81-82mph for Surrey in a T20 game this season when I was watching and Woakes was appreciably quicker in this Test, so there's definitely something to it.

I don't think their pace is really the point though; Tremlett is obviously a better bowler than Woakes, even if he has declined a bit. My original point was that I don't really think it would've mattered at The Oval on Day 1 and that Tremlett would've likely had a similar return.
 

Cabinet96

Hall of Fame Member
Tremlett wouldn't be batting at six either. Woakes and Tremlett were never fighting against each other for a spot really, Woakes was a beneficiary of Kerrigan being picked over Tremlett.
 

grecian

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Anyway, Somerset incredibly lucky. We're so awful this year, hopefully Durham can thrash Surrey.
 

91Jmay

International Coach
Yeah, Bears haven't deserved to be any higher in the table but weather has killed our hopes here and at Headingley. Need to focus on rebuilding our batting line-up for next year, especially if Woakes is in England's thoughts.
 

Jarquis

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Well Tremlett was bowling 81-82mph for Surrey in a T20 game this season when I was watching and Woakes was appreciably quicker in this Test, so there's definitely something to it.

I don't think their pace is really the point though; Tremlett is obviously a better bowler than Woakes, even if he has declined a bit. My original point was that I don't really think it would've mattered at The Oval on Day 1 and that Tremlett would've likely had a similar return.
Second paragraph is irrelevant. I've not passed comment on the merits of the argument or the importance of lace so don't know why you've responded like that.

The only comment I've made is that cabinet on Tremlett's pace is GF-on-Watson-esque. It's boring. We get it. My point was its not even true. Yeah Tremlett's had some games where he's only just tipped 80mph. So has Woakes. Tremlett's also been appreciably quicker than low 80s at times too and probably so has Woakes. It's a nothing point and a bull**** way of saying 'Tremlett doesn't have the same pace he used to'
 

grecian

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Will be a travesty if rains saves Slurry tomorrow.

Been a travesty for a few sides this week, funny you don't mention the others. Amazing, because if they just played every match in the West-country (which surely is desirable) the only problems with weather would be prickly-heat.
 

Cabinet96

Hall of Fame Member
Been a travesty for a few sides this week, funny you don't mention the others. Amazing, because if they just played every match in the West-country (which surely is desirable) the only problems with weather would be prickly-heat.
Surrey losing helps Somerset's survival cause FFS.

Personally, I'd be more bitter if Amla saved them.
 

grecian

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Surrey losing helps Somerset's survival cause FFS.

Personally, I'd be more bitter if Amla saved them.
Yes, I know as I hinted at before, when I kind of said I wanted Durham to win through gritted teeth. Not sure what about my post suggested I wanted Durham to not win.

A full day tomorrow, and good weather forecast, cheer up:)
 

superkingdave

Hall of Fame Member
Should still cruise to a win despite Ali's twin centuries - guess Worcestershire might like someone else to contribute every now and then
 

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