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***Official*** Under 19 World Cup 2012

silentstriker

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
Prince EWS said:
I think the point they're making is that that sort of thing definitely mounts pressure on young batsmen in a chase. I don't think they're actually saying that it's unacceptable, that the RRR is getting out of control and that the batsmen should take some crazy risks; I think they're just putting forward the idea that inexperienced players may be affected by it and end up thinking that themselves.
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Prince EWS said:
That's exactly their point. The dot balls matter, not because they were making it that much harder to chase this down but because the pressure was mounting.
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Yes, I know. It matters because of that false way of thinking that some (especially young) players and commentators seem to fall for. When they made the point initially, India were doing just fine on the RR. There were a couple maidens, but the overall run rate was perfectly fine. But players feel that if they have a couple maidens, they are somehow behind when they aren't. Hence what I was saying about the match situation. Look at the overall situation - if Aussies are using their best bowlers and keeping you down and you're still doing OK on the overall RR, give them a few overs. If you have wickets and their most economical bowlers have bowled their quota, you should definitely win.

Burgey said:
I thought it mattered because you said their lower order is no good.

I wouldn't know, I've not seen anything of the tournament tbh.
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Yea, I don't think it's any good. I haven't seen the tournament either. I was speaking in general with most sides. If it's that terrible, then it would matter even more to preserve wickets now, wouldn't it?

I'm not saying RR isn't important but in this scenario, chasing the relatively reasonable sized total they are, and the match situation they were in (and are in now, though it will start becoming important soon), RR is not the primary concern. Wickets are - Zol could easily have afforded to play himself in for a few more overs instead of flailing and getting upset that he wasn't rotating the strike.
 
vic_orthdox

vic_orthdox

Global Moderator
Yup, and in general at U/19 level, the guys don't have the same ability to hit boundaries and go nuts in the last 10. Some guys can, but not as many as what you have in full age cricket.
 
silentstriker

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
But we aren't talking about having to score a hundred runs in the last ten. In this case, it would be 60-70 runs. If the total were 280, I would agree with the commentators.
 
social

social

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
vic_orthdox said:
Yup, and in general at U/19 level, the guys don't have the same ability to hit boundaries and go nuts in the last 10. Some guys can, but not as many as what you have in full age cricket.
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When I was playing (admittedly rears ago), young bowlers didnt take their batting all that seriously or didnt receive the same attention as batsmen so the tail really was a "tail"

For example, guys like Whitney, etc really couldnt hold a bat until they had been playing fc for a few years and had received the benefit of coaching and good practice themselves

Is this still the same?
 
Shri

Shri

Mr. Glass
Dot balls are unacceptable in any level of cricket(in ODs) when you are a specialist batsman and have been batting for 50 and 100 balls respectively. You don't have to hit 4s and 6s all the time but 1s and 2s should be easy when you have been out there so long.
 
silentstriker

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
Shri said:
Dot balls are unacceptable in any level of cricket(in ODs) when you are a specialist batsman and have been batting for 50 and 100 balls respectively. You don't have to hit 4s and 6s all the time but 1s and 2s should be easy when you have been out there so long.
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Yea, but the instances when it isn't, why try to force it when the situation doesn't demand that you do?
 
vic_orthdox

vic_orthdox

Global Moderator
social said:
When I was playing (admittedly rears ago), young bowlers didnt take their batting all that seriously or didnt receive the same attention as batsmen so the tail really was a "tail"

For example, guys like Whitney, etc really couldnt hold a bat until they had been playing fc for a few years and had received the benefit of coaching and good practice themselves

Is this still the same?
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Nah, most teams in domestic underage cricket are pretty good, everyone seems to have some semblance of a technique all the way down to 11. Although at times it does take away from the fear of a tailender getting away from you with a few lusty blows, but can be very frustrating trying to remove them.
 
ankitj

ankitj

Hall of Fame Member
Bit of lack of power hitting in the young team. Should start getting odd boundaries by now.
 
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