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**Official** South Africa in England 2012

MW1304

MW1304

Cricketer Of The Year
theegyptian said:
Personally i think we should get rid of everyone. Sack Strauss as he has done **** all for years. Sack Flower because he's let this **** happen. Sack KP. Sack Swann because he's a knob. and start again

Root
Cook(c)
Trott
Bell
Taylor
Bairstow
Prior
Bresnan
Broad
Anderson
Kerrigan

Stokes comes in when he regains some form with the bat.

We'd lose a bit initially but it would be exciting and we'd of got rid of the prima donna's (with the exception of broad) and build again.

And I'm only half joking.
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And Ashley Giles head coach. I'm in!
 
GIMH

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Nah it is, this is on a plate for Saffa. If they don't get number one now then **** them they never will.

Absolute joke of a decision. Hard for me to even want to get behind them after this.

I will ofc, but,
 
Prince EWS

Prince EWS

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Spark said:
As I said, I usually would be kinder, but it's happened too many times to be a fluke. I mean, sure, if Anderson/Broad have blinders and whatnot then yes, I think they'll have a defence, but sure as **** many won't see it that way, and it'll be probably the final nail in the coffin in the idea that SA have been the actual best team over the last three or four years. It's about damn time they turn their on paper dominance - which they now have - to series wins.

EDIT: I also should add that this is the best example of the difference in the way I rate teams vs. the way I rate players. Since a team is obvs a collection of players, that difference can be quite subtle.
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Lots of people seeing something one way doesn't make it right or true though. I'm sure we'll get a whole heap of opportunistic morons roll on into the thread with choke.jpg posts rolling to go if it does happen, but it won't necessarily be an underachievement if it does. It probably will, mind, but we shouldn't judge that without actually watching the game first.
 
Spark

Spark

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Prince EWS said:
Lots of people seeing something one way doesn't make it right or true though. I'm sure we'll get a whole heap of opportunistic morons roll on into the thread with choke.jpg posts rolling to go if it does happen, but it won't necessarily be an underachievement if it does. It probably will, mind, but we shouldn't judge that without actually watching the game first.
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It's possible. But I find it unlikely simply because, as was the case in Jo'burg and numerous other occasions, SA tends to lose Tests through a mixture of opp brilliance and their own ****ups.
 
flibbertyjibber

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Prince EWS said:
Lots of people seeing something one way doesn't make it right or true though. I'm sure we'll get a whole heap of opportunistic morons roll on into the thread with choke.jpg posts rolling to go if it does happen, but it won't necessarily be an underachievement if it does. It probably will, mind, but we shouldn't judge that without actually watching the game first.
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Yeah, if they need 150 on a good track to win the game and lose then that is the c word. Until we see how the game pans out you can't say it is one.
 
Prince EWS

Prince EWS

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Spark said:
It's possible. But I find it unlikely simply because, as was the case in Jo'burg and numerous other occasions, SA tends to lose Tests through a mixture of opp brilliance and their own ****ups.
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I don't disagree; it'd definitely be unlikely.
 
Prince EWS

Prince EWS

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Spark said:
See, if I were a pedantic ****, I'd call you out on the double negative... :ph34r:
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Double negatives aren't grammatically incorrect though. They only become problematic when the people using them don't realise they're double negatives, like "You ain't got nothing".
 
Thriel

Thriel

Banned
Spark said:
I'm thinking of it in really crude, simple terms here. With this change to the team, SA look definitevely stronger than England now, even taking into account the fact that the attack may show up properly at Lord's. They have a series lead. I'm doubtful that everyone in the England dressing room will be completely OK with KP not being there and it will surely play on their minds.

SA could not have possibly asked for more - hence why, if they don't win, they'll have underachieved. They might do so via, say, a Broad special, but this is a series that, as it stands right now, they should win.
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if KP really doesn't play ( and i say this because england has a knack for suddenly changing their minds at last minute, so he may still in D day miraculously turn up ... ) then i would say SA and England are now even. We lost a valuable player when Boucher had to exit, not just as the worlds best wicket keeper, but since AB is now taking his spot we lost our best fielder as well, not to mention Boucher is a very capable batsman who we could always count on for some speedy runs when needed. So i'd say its all square between the teams.

We lost a good player and so did england. Equal footing now...

Altho the English have always been sore losers, if they lose this game they will blame it on fact that KP was dropped, can already see the headlines and excuses being thought up.

Me personally, i think its a good move to drop KP, however, with such an important game i would have done it after the third test, not before. to create devision and tension now before this match not to mention bringing in a new player without experience facing SA and the fact that KP performs quite well against SA is not a smart move.
 
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Prince EWS

Prince EWS

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Thriel said:
if KP really doesn't play ( and i say this because england has a knack for suddenly changing their minds at last minute, so he may still in D day miraculously turn up ... ) then i would say SA and England are now even.
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So you considered England to be better than South Africa when Pietersen was playing?

Good to know.
 
Spark

Spark

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I can't believe I'm actually replying to this, but there is no way in the world that losing Boucher when you have an adequate keeper-bat in the side (in the short term) and have good batting backup (Duminy's not the best top six batsman imaginable, but he's a damn good #7, quality against spin aside) is remotely comparable to losing Kevin Pietersen in lieu of a bloke whose claim to Test fame is being bounced out repeatedly by Roach and Rampaul.

SA are better on paper right now without question. Those who says otherwise are being a tad disingenuous, I would suggest.
 
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