**Official** South Africa in England 2012

[flibbertyjibber]

Yeah unless Swann was breaking rules and tweeting during the first test on the fake account its not him.

I have a feeling Swanny is one of the ones that is mentioned as "actively disliking" him though.

Or maybe that is one reason behind him being dropped for Headingley as they have found out it was him?

 

[grecian]

It's funny in parts. And KP should be man enough to take it on the chin.

However if it is written by a team mate (now let's see, which England player is likeliest to get up to something like this? Surely not our less than 100% fit offie?) I can see why KP's unhappy about it.

And if so, given what we all know about KP's personality, is it really very professional to undermine the team by playing this sort of prank?

And if so, looking at recent series - we'd have lost 2-0 in SL and be two down to SA without his contributions, his vital 200 in the 1st India test, etc, etc - then this is a bit like Ringo complaining that Macca really was getting a bit full of himself circa Sgt. Pepper. If someone in the team doesn't like KP throwing his weight around, then try making some serious contributions on the filed mate.

Now that I've found myself defending KP I need to go and lie down for a while.

Well that's very good, but rather forgetting KP's performance in UAE where Swann had a better average with the bat.

Anyway, only Pringle and KP seem to be suggesting a fellow player, I'm not sure I've read anything that is inside info.

 

[wpdavid]

There are quite a few members of that team who contributed as much as Pietersen if not more to England's rise to the top of the rankings. And if he wasn't such an arse, they might have drawn the 1st test of this series.

Not in 2012 though. And, poor as he was at The Oval, he was by no means the only one.

I suppose the other thing is that's hardly his fault if the rest of them aren't good enough to be in demand for IPL and other 2020 tourneys, so he's the only one with the clash of interests.

Now look what you've made me do - defended him twice in one morning.

 

[wpdavid]

Well that's very good, but rather forgetting KP's performance in UAE where Swann had a better average with the bat.

Yeah, I was being a bit selective. Point remains that in 2012 we've lost the serious encounters unless KP has performed heroics.

 

[grecian]

Yeah, I was being a bit selective. Point remains that in 2012 we've lost the serious encounters unless KP has performed heroics.

and if he'd just performed decently in UAE we may have won the series. Who knows.

Certainly seems harsh you slating Swann, a) not actually knowing he's doing it b) the fact he had been a massive part of our success c) not knowing how much his injury is affecting his recent poor performances.

 

[wpdavid]

and if he'd just performed decently in UAE we may have won the series. Who knows.

Certainly seems harsh you slating Swann, a) not actually knowing he's doing it b) the fact he had been a massive part of our success c) not knowing how much his injury is affecting his recent poor performances.

I did use the word 'if' rather a lot in my initial post.

Probably unfair to suggest he's the man most likely if is in-house though.

 

[grecian]

I did use the word 'if' rather a lot in my initial post.

Probably unfair to suggest he's the man most likely if is in-house though.

Still don't quite get the disparaging of Swann's career, been every big as part as KP.

Ho-hum.

 

[uvelocity]

what if I created a parody twitter account...

“There’s no “i” in “Team” but there’s 5 in “individual brilliance."" .... yessssss

balls in your court, Pietersen!

 

[wpdavid]

Still don't quite get the disparaging of Swann's career, been every big as part as KP.

Ho-hum.

I really didn't think I did disparage Swann's career. That certainly wasn't the intention, for the very obvious that reason you mentioned. Forgive me if I cba to reread the last few posts. If I did, then fair enough. Perhaps I got carried away at the possibility of an England colleague doing this.

Moving on ...

 

[grecian]

I really didn't think I did disparage Swann's career. That certainly wasn't the intention, for the very obvious that reason you mentioned. Forgive me if I cba to reread the last few posts. If I did, then fair enough. Perhaps I got carried away at the possibility of an England colleague doing this.

Moving on ...

Well the comparison of Ringo to Macca seemed disparaging to me.

 

[wpdavid]

Well the comparison of Ringo to Macca seemed disparaging to me.

Yes, I suppose so. I was focusing mainly on the 2012 games, but perhaps that wasn't made clear enough. And iirc Swann also played a big part in winning the 2nd SL test, so OK.

Still think that Swann's reputation has been resting on past achievements for much of the last 20 months, but I can't pretend that much thought had gone into my previous post.

 

[grecian]

Yes, I suppose so. I was focusing mainly on the 2012 games, but perhaps that wasn't made clear enough. And iirc Swann also played a big part in winning the 2nd SL test, so OK.

Still think that Swann's reputation has been resting on past achievements for much of the last 20 months, but I can't pretend that much thought had gone into my previous post.

Well, sorry for snapping at you

I'm just sick to death of everyone getting blame for this, when the root problem is KP. Vague insinuations all, and he's still the only one to have had a public say. I'm not sure if that Pringle story is true, but if it is, I'd be more worried about the deep paranoia of KP, than anything else. Trying to shut down a parody account on Twitter, one Mark Butcher and Flintoff have re-tweeted, maybe it's them. Could be anyone of 1000s of people.

BTW, I accept there may have been some dodgy dealing, but this conspiracy stuff, is just looking the vague outpourings of a profound narcissist.

I think I'll stop posting on it now, until after the next Test, he say's everything's going to come out then, and if it does, other's will have the right of reply, but this **** can't be good for the team, no matter how brilliant his performances.

 

[Scaly piscine]

I doubt the Twitter parody account is a current player. I'd imagine it is someone in the Notts camp, past or present. They would be pissed off enough to do it and would have the insider info from Broad and Swann.

 

[Agent Nationaux]

They have been tweeting during the match, so it can't be any of the players since they aren't allowed to carry mobiles.

 

[theegyptian]

If Pietersen doesn't play in the last test who do England even play?

Bopara pulled out of the lions team, Bairstow was proved not good enough at present and was dropped earlier in the season. Compton maybe but I'd be worried that the top 6 was too defensive especially in test match england were required to win. There really aren't any other batting alternatives who are ready.

Best bet may be Chris Woakes for the one off test at no.7 with Bell and Prior moved up 1. Could then play 2 spinners if they wanted to at Lords.

 

[Viscount Tom]

Ring up Tres and hope?

 

[amanuensis]

If Pietersen doesn't play in the last test who do England even play?

Bopara pulled out of the lions team, Bairstow was proved not good enough at present and was dropped earlier in the season. Compton maybe but I'd be worried that the top 6 was too defensive especially in test match england were required to win. There really aren't any other batting alternatives who are ready.

Best bet may be Chris Woakes for the one off test at no.7 with Bell and Prior moved up 1. Could then play 2 spinners if they wanted to at Lords.

Well Woakes is scoring runs again.....

 

[Burgey]

If Pietersen doesn't play in the last test who do England even play?

Bopara pulled out of the lions team, Bairstow was proved not good enough at present and was dropped earlier in the season. Compton maybe but I'd be worried that the top 6 was too defensive especially in test match england were required to win. There really aren't any other batting alternatives who are ready.

Best bet may be Chris Woakes for the one off test at no.7 with Bell and Prior moved up 1. Could then play 2 spinners if they wanted to at Lords.

Seeing as England must win and draws are not uncommon at Lord's, why not bring Swann in and play five bowlers with Prior batting at six?

 

[grecian]

Seeing as England must win and draws are not uncommon at Lord's, why not bring Swann in and play five bowlers with Prior batting at six?

Are you just agreeing with him, because that's what he's suggesting?

I wouldn't be against it either, despite my misgivings about Woake's bowling. Woakes, Broad, Swann, Anderson, Panesar.

I wouldn't mind if they went for Stokes instead of his rhyming partner, I think he'll be the long-term replacement for KP should all this not blow over.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Are you just agreeing with him, because that's what he's suggesting?

I wouldn't be against it either, despite my misgivings about Woake's bowling. Woakes, Broad, Swann, Anderson, Panesar.

I wouldn't mind if they went for Stokes instead of his rhyming partner, I think he'll be the long-term replacement for KP should all this not blow over.

Burgey's saying that'd keep Finn, no need for Woakes.