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[watson]

Perhaps a compromise;

Dravid
Hammond
Sobers
Pietersen

I think that the side should get full value from the fourth or fifth greatest batsman of all time. Sobers talent is wasted at No.6 IMO.

 

[kyear2]

Fully agree with that, plus during his career batted everywhere, including opener. Great problem to have that batting order.

 

[Red]

Perhaps a compromise;

Dravid
Hammond
Sobers
Pietersen

I think that the side should get full value from the fourth or fifth greatest batsman of all time. Sobers talent is wasted at No.6 IMO.

This looks good to me. Some of the criticism leveled at Dravid is that his SR is too slow for a number 3 in tests. It's true, his strike rate is slow, but it doesn't matter heaps.

Dravid, for most of his career, has batted in the middle of Sehwag and Tendulkar. As long as the score is moving fluently, there's no reason to think that your number 3 needs to have a SR of 50 plus. I'd prefer someone who can bat through a day early in a test while the team builds a really big score, especially in the first innings.

Dravid is perfect at 3 in KK's lineup, while the rest of the batsmen score quickly around him.

And having KP come in at 6 (after Sobers/Hammond) had destroyed them would be demoralizing for the bowlers, very much so!

 

[Jager]

Don't know why any player's SR is coming into the question to be honest! This is test cricket. Hashim Amla has just shown us the value of an extremely patient number three batsman, too.

Marcuss has timed out! MrPrez is up.

 

[Jager]

R1
kingkallis- Garfield Sobers
Himannv- Imran Khan
Marcuss- Adam Gilchrist
Cabinet96- Keith Miller
Eds- Malcolm Marshall
Cevno- Richard Hadlee
Blakus- Vivian Richards
MrPrez- Jaques Kallis
watson- Glenn McGrath
Jager- Curtly Ambrose
AndyZaltzHair- Dennis Lillee
kyear2- Jack Hobbs

R2
kyear2- Shane Warne
AndyZaltzHair- Fred Trueman
Jager- Sachin Tendulkar
watson- Michael Holding
MrPrez- Muttiah Muralitharan
Blakus- Sydney Barnes
Cevno- Wasim Akram
Eds- Brian Lara
Cabinet96- Len Hutton
Marcuss- Bill O'Reilly
Himannv- Alan Davidson
kingkallis- Wally Hammond

R3
Jager- Waqar Younis
kyear2- Allan Donald
Himannv- George Headley
AndyZaltzHair- Ray Lindwall
Eds- Joel Garner
Marcuss- Aubrey Faulkner
kingkallis- Dale Steyn
Blakus- Graeme Pollock
Cabinet96- Clyde Walcott
Cevno- Shaun Pollock
MrPrez- Mike Procter
watson- Andy Roberts

R4
watson- Greg Chappell
MrPrez- Victor Trumper
Cevno- Andrew Flower
Cabinet96- Jim Laker
Blakus- Sunil Gavaskar
kingkallis- Richie Benaud
Marcuss- Ian Botham
Eds- Barry Richards
AndyZaltzHair- Clarrie Grimmett
Himannv- Frank Tyson
kyear2- Ricky Ponting
Jager- Harold Larwood

R5
AndyZaltzHair- Les Ames
kyear2- Everton Weekes
Blakus- Herbert Sutcliffe
Jager- Neil Harvey
Cabinet96- Courtney Walsh
Marcuss- Steve Waugh
Cevno- WG Grace
MrPrez- Allan Border
watson- Alan Knott
kingkallis- Rahul Dravid
Himannv- Ken Barrington
Eds- Kapil Dev

R6
Eds- Frank Worrell
Himannv- Denis Compton
kingkallis- Matthew Hayden
watson- Hedley Verity
MrPrez- Ian Healy
Cevno- Anil Kumble
Marcuss- Javed Miandad
Cabinet96- Fazal Mahmood
Jager- Wilfred Rhodes
Blakus- Kumar Sangakkara
kyear2- Denis Lindsay
AndyZaltzHair- Arthur Morris

R7
watson- Bob Simpson
Jager- Dudley Nourse
AndyZaltzHair- Clive Lloyd
Eds- Gordon Greenidge
kingkallis- Graham Gooch
Marcuss- Geoff Boycott
kyear2- Colin Croft
Himannv- Hanif Mohammad
MrPrez- Saqlain Mushtaq
Blakus- Frederick Spofforth
Cevno- Virender Sehwag
Cabinet96- Bruce Mitchell

R8
Cabinet96- Shivnarine Chanderpaul
Cevno- Shane Bond
Blakus- Peter Pollock
MrPrez- Bob Willis
Himannv- Bill Lawry
kyear2- Ted Dexter
Marcuss- Ian Bishop
kingkallis- Wes Hall
Eds- Charles Macartney
AndyZaltzHair- Bill Ponsford
Jager- Alec Stewart
watson- Rohan Kanhai

R9
Cabinet96- David Gower
Cevno- Inzamam-ul-Haq
Eds- Hugh Tayfield
AndyZaltzHair- Frank Woolley
Marcuss- Stan McCabe
Jager- Doug Walters
MrPrez- Bill Woodfull
kingkallis- Kevin Pietersen
watson- Mushtaq Mohammad
Blakus- Kumar Ranjitsinhji
Himannv- Peter May
kyear2- Vijay Merchant

R10
kyear2- John Snow
Himannv- Derek Underwood
Blakus- Hugh Trumble
watson- Lindsay Hassett
kingkallis- Rod Marsh
MrPrez- Brian Statham
Jager- Douglas Jardine
Marcuss- Graeme Smith
AndyZaltzHair- Eddie Paynter
Eds- AB de Villers
Cevno- Mohammad Yousuf
Cabinet96- Alec Bedser

R11
AndyZaltzHair- Ian Chappell
Jager- Matt Prior
MrPrez- Younis Khan
Marcuss- Charlie Turner
Blakus- John Waite
Himannv- Godfrey Evans
kyear2- Martin Crowe
Eds- Eddie Barlow
kingkallis- Neil Adcock
watson- Mark Taylor
Cevno- Mahela Jayawardene
Cabinet96- Michael Hussey

R12
Cabinet96- Damien Martyn
Cevno-
watson- Tony Greig
kingkallis- George Lohmann
Eds- Jeffrey Dujon
kyear2- Richie Richardson
Himannv- Bobby Peel
Blakus- Warwick Armstrong
Marcuss-
MrPrez-
Jager-
AndyZaltzHair-

 

[watson]

Don't know why any player's SR is coming into the question to be honest! This is test cricket. Hashim Amla has just shown us the value of an extremely patient number three batsman, too.

Marcuss has timed out! MrPrez is up.

Amla's strike rate was 58. In test match cricket, that's cranking.

 

[Jager]

I'm going to assume you didn't watch the innings then! It was certainly not a cranking innings. His SR did slowly, slowly climb from around 50 to 58, but there was hardly any noticeable acceleration until he was well past 200 runs.

 

[watson]

OK fair enough.

I only made the comment because, from memory, both Bradman and Vic Richards had SRs of around 58. And they're not noted for being the type needing a good lie down with a bex and a hot cup of tea.

 

[Jager]

Didn't mean that in a rude way, by the way. You might find this interesting actually, gives us a good idea of what the oldies may have been like (although I always add 10 onto the strike rates of pre-ODI players if I am thinking about how they would bat now).

Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

Nice bit of stats there Jager, didn't know Hill had such great strike rate

 

[smash84]

Shahid Afridi with a SR of 87 at the top lol

 

[Jager]

Nice bit of stats there Jager, didn't know Hill had such great strike rate

Yeah it's really interesting! Trumper, Hill, Woolley, McCabe and Macartney shine through especially

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

Yeah it's really interesting! Trumper, Hill, Woolley, McCabe and Macartney shine through especially

I read this guy Herbie Taylor made all of his runs in very tough pitches; that strike rate is amusing

 

[Himannv]

01. Bill Lawry
02. Hanif Mohammad
03. George Headley
04. Kan Barrington
05. Dennis Compton
06. Peter May
07. Imran Khan*
08. Godfrey Evans+
09. Alan Davidson
10. Derek Underwood
11. Frank Tyson

12. Bobby Peel

Have been wondering whether to play Peel ahead of Underwood but I think I've got it right.

 

[Jager]

Pretty dour team there Himannv, but no denying its strength. Imagine having to get Lawry, Hanif, Barrington and May out

 

[watson]

I read this guy Herbie Taylor made all of his runs in very tough pitches; that strike rate is amusing

I think that they used rubber matting in South Africa when SF Barnes was bowling to him. All the batsman had a terrible time of it as a result. But Herbie Taylor seemed to have coped better than most.

 

[Jager]

I read this guy Herbie Taylor made all of his runs in very tough pitches; that strike rate is amusing

That SR is taken from an 6 ball sample though - not the most solid of statistics

 

[watson]

Didn't mean that in a rude way, by the way. You might find this interesting actually, gives us a good idea of what the oldies may have been like (although I always add 10 onto the strike rates of pre-ODI players if I am thinking about how they would bat now).

Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

I don't care if you are rude Jager. You can be as rude or as pleasant as you like as long as your arguments are sound and you obviously care about your cricket. It's not like you're my mother or anyone like that. It's the internet, not real life, if you get what I mean.

I'll have a look at that SR list when I get longer than a spare minute.

 

[Himannv]

Pretty dour team there Himannv, but no denying its strength. Imagine having to get Lawry, Hanif, Barrington and May out

I'm a fan of players like Barrington who can bat all day and wear down opponents so you may see a bit of that in drafts I'm involved in. I like to have a solid top 6 generally.

 

[Red]

01. Bill Lawry
02. Hanif Mohammad
03. George Headley
04. Kan Barrington
05. Dennis Compton
06. Peter May
07. Imran Khan*
08. Godfrey Evans+
09. Alan Davidson
10. Derek Underwood
11. Frank Tyson

12. Bobby Peel

Have been wondering whether to play Peel ahead of Underwood but I think I've got it right.

This is a true ol' school test team I reckon.

Super solid, dour opening pair. L/R combination
Genuine aggressive number 3 with high average.
Stonewaller at 4 to bat around.
Compton and May as "dashers" or "forcing batsmen" at 5/6.
A genuine bowling allrounder in the correct spot (7). High quality pace bowler.
A real wicketkeeper.
Left arm pace variation from Davo, lower order hitting.
Top quality spinner.
Express pace from Typhoon.