**Official** New Zealand in West Indies

[Bahnz]

Yeah Ryder and Franklin's standing has probably perversely benefited from missing this debacle. I'd be more than hesitant to declare they're the answer to these limited-over batting problems though.

I don't know, despite his brain explosion against SA earlier this year, I've always considered Ryder to be quite an effective accumulator. Having said that, if/when Ryder comes back, I would want him opening, as his hitting power and hand eye coordination (as well as his aggressive temperament) make him ideally suited to playing the Gayle/Sehwag opening salvo role.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Think people are oversimplifying the around the wicket situation. From over the wicket, the difference is a lot more pronounced in the trajectory the ball needs to go for a carrom ball or an off spinner. From around the wicket, either way the ball is coming from outside of your eyeliner and pushing across you, just to varying degrees. And if he pitches the ball on leg stump and it straightens down the line (i.e. off spinner) he's a good chance of getting you LBW.

 

[SteveNZ]

Think people are oversimplifying the around the wicket situation. From over the wicket, the difference is a lot more pronounced in the trajectory the ball needs to go for a carrom ball or an off spinner. From around the wicket, either way the ball is coming from outside of your eyeliner and pushing across you, just to varying degrees. And if he pitches the ball on leg stump and it straightens down the line (i.e. off spinner) he's a good chance of getting you LBW.

Not I friend, I agree. As I alluded to before, it creates new angles and new mental issues.

Which is probably while Narine did it. Hell, he could've stayed over and terrorised us to a similar degree. But now we have been destroyed over the wicket and around. Our guys know with the technology, we can't push forward and get hit like Guppy did in the fifth ODI (I know it was given, but that's seldom out in the old days). We can't really do a lot with his variations now.

Taylor said Narine is at his best when there's scoreboard pressure. True, but dismissals like Guptill's and McCullums (who may we all remember kept to him in the IPL) suggest it isn't that simple.

 

[Flem274*]

Make them watch the Fleming vs Murali vids.

When Narine comes on, play soccer.

 

[Flem274*]

Actually with UDRS the Fleming tactic might not be so good anymore.

Deny UDRS to all nations with a good spinner in our series.

 

[straw man]

In NZ Herald:

Taylor also backed seamer Tim Southee to perform in the longer form of the game if he was selected, given his impressive efforts in the limited overs matches.

"He's refreshed himself and he's worked on a few things and he's in the test side so he'll be pushing for selection. He's played in every much, so far so he has been the pick of our bowlers and hopefully he can continue on from what he has shown so far and keep leading the attack."

and also in "Why the Black Caps shouldn't be written off"

1. Tim Southee's re-emergence

Tim Southee finished the last home summer as a test-match discard after a poor display against South Africa in Dunedin but has been added to the test side after the injury concerns in the New Zealand camp. The right-armer swings the ball at pace and carries some solid form from the one-dayers after claiming 10 wickets in the five matches. His new-ball bowling could put his side on the front foot.

It's looking suspiciously like Southee is going to weasel his way back into the test side. I'm mentally preparing to get really worked up about this rrrrrrrrrrr and perhaps Messrs Wagner, Boult and Nethula should be doing the same. It's not even that I think Southee is bad - it's just that he so patently does not deserve to be in the test side at the moment. There are two guys on the sideline who have time after time done everything asked of them and could both have a good future in our test side, plus a spinner whose best chance would surely be to debut this series. And they want to go back to Southee based on a few ODIs. FMD.

Anyway, put it back in the box - hasn't been confirmed yet.

 

[Prince EWS]

"He's refreshed himself and he's worked on a few things and he's in the test side so he'll be pushing for selection. He's played in every much, so far so he has been the pick of our bowlers and hopefully he can continue on from what he has shown so far and keep leading the attack."

So you guys have finally taken the next step and incorporated your accent into the written word now?

 

[Flem274*]

Southee is going to be the Sinclair of bowling isn't he?

He shouldn't be anywhere near the side atm. Besides, I want to see Wagner play so we can finally get the hype over with and everyone can realise he is a 138-142kph extremely mercurial swing bowler, not the next Wasim Akram.

In happier predictions, I'll put my money behind Nethula if he gets selected. Chanderpaul and Gayle aside, this WI batting line up might be even worse than ours even discounting Taylor and Vettori. Nethula bowls on a **** of a home pitch in a **** of a country to bowl spin in. It will be nice for him to bowl on turners against batsmen as incompetent as the ones he is used to I bet.

 

[SteveNZ]

I know this isn't the ideal thread for it, but:

Mott out, Hesson odds-on for NZ coach - Cricket - Sportal New Zealand

Looks like it's Hesson's job. Fair play to him, but I'm sceptical as to whether he's the man to revive our fortunes.

Sad endictment that Buchanan said there wasn't a long list of applicants but the ones that did apply were very good. If it's Mott/Hesson/Woodhill, none of them have coached an international side - apart from Kenya. I'd hardly call that a strong list.

 

[BeeGee]

Sad endictment that Buchanan said there wasn't a long list of applicants but the ones that did apply were very good. If it's Mott/Hesson/Woodhill, none of them have coached an international side - apart from Kenya. I'd hardly call that a strong list.

Well, he had to say that didn't he? He couldn't say it's a short list and they're all crap.

I agree that it's a sad indictment on the state of NZ cricket that no top coaches want the job.

 

[Bahnz]

Southee is going to be the Sinclair of bowling isn't he?

Harsh on Skip. Maybe if Southee had picked up a couple of 10 wicket bags in his career you could say that, but I don't think a 5fer on debut and a few 4 wicket hauls since then stand up well compared to what Sinny achieved.

 

[Bahnz]

I agree that it's a sad indictment on the state of NZ cricket that no top coaches want the job.

Oh, I remember all sorts of names coming out of the woodwork after Greatbatch got canned. If they get turned down, you can hardly expect them to put their hands up again a couple of years later. And I don't think the absence of a high profile candidate should bother us too much. India recruited Duncan Fletcher and it's hardly helped their performances. A relative unknown (like Steve Rixon in the 1990's) is just as likely to have a positive effect on the team's performances as a big name super coach.

 

[Flem274*]

We have the guy who coached the greatest side to take the field in our admin and so far he has been ****ing ****.

 

[straw man]

Hesson is new coach. Good luck to him. I agree with Bahnz that a young less-well-known coach can be just as successful if not more so, compared to someone with a bigger reputation. Likely to really want the job and get stuck in - certainly shouldn't be any tendency to rest on laurels. It's more a question then of expertise/experience - hopefully he has something good to offer there despite not coaching internationals before.

Anyway, he's gonna have a hell of a job to do

 

[Flem274*]

I've read a couple of articles about him and he's definitely very homegrown, which is something we haven't had in a while. As the former NZ A coach he will know the skill sets of players just outside the squad more than most.

He's also very much a coach rather than a former FC or test player, which will be interesting. One of the reasons Moles got turfed is because he didn't have much clue about test cricket, but I'm sure Hesson will make sure he addresses that.

 

[straw man]

Side for the warm-up match:

New Zealand team: Ross Taylor (c), Dean Brownlie, Daniel Flynn, Martin Guptill, Chris Martin, Brendon McCullum, Tarun Nethula, Kruger van Wyk (wk), Daniel Vettori, Neil Wagner, Kane Williamson

First class status so shouldn't be any 12-a-side nonsense. Watling and Boult unavailable with quad strains. Points of interest will be Wagner and Nethula with the ball and Brownlie with the bat. Even though I think Brownlie should be given a decent run in the side, if he adds two more failures to recent bad form that would make him hard to select for first test.

 

[Mike5181]

Isn't Watling out for the rest of the tour?

 

[BackFootPunch]

Isn't Watling out for the rest of the tour?

Nothing official yet. I think someone on here said Reece Young was going over? But the last update out of the NZ camp was that he'd miss the last couple of ODIs with a view to getting him right for the Tests

 

[vic_orthdox]

I know this isn't the ideal thread for it, but:

Mott out, Hesson odds-on for NZ coach - Cricket - Sportal New Zealand

Looks like it's Hesson's job. Fair play to him, but I'm sceptical as to whether he's the man to revive our fortunes.

Sad endictment that Buchanan said there wasn't a long list of applicants but the ones that did apply were very good. If it's Mott/Hesson/Woodhill, none of them have coached an international side - apart from Kenya. I'd hardly call that a strong list.

Who would want the job when they can't be pulling the strings?

 

[_Ed_]

Yeah, good point.