***Official*** Australia in England 2012

[grecian]

You're completely forgetting that Michael Vaughan is a moron

indeed, not since beefy as my opinion of someone got so much lower after retirement/punditry.

 

[Expressway76]

indeed, not since beefy as my opinion of someone got so much lower after retirement/punditry.

Yeah I don't think much of him either. As a commentator he lets his England bias come through way too much, he's like TMS's very own Channel 9 commentator.

 

[GIMH]

Thorpe would have been better than KP or Bell, that Ashes doc when KP was given the accolades for winning in 2005 was a joke. Only scored runs in matches we didn't win, and his dropped catches were the only reason his Oval innings was so important.

Didn't he score a 50 at Edgbaston?

 

[grecian]

Didn't he score a 50 at Edgbaston?

Oh look I'm not really slagging him off, just think Thorpe could have done better, and making him the hero of the series was silly, all four fast bowlers ahead of him, TBH. Flintoff scored a few runs too.

 

[Jacknife]

Thorpe would have been better than KP or Bell, that Ashes doc when KP was given the accolades for winning in 2005 was a joke. Only scored runs in matches we didn't win, and his dropped catches were the only reason his Oval innings was so important.

Bell yes, don't think he'd have done better than KP. Only England player to score anything at Lords, scored 71 at Edgbaston, as well his Oval innings. Don't really see the need to talk his achievements down, especially with comments like only scoring runs in matches we didn't win.

Thorpe wasn't in the greatest of form in the games he played for Surrey that year, so it isn't a given he would have scored stacks of runs.

 

[GIMH]

Oh look I'm not really slagging him off, just think Thorpe could have done better, and making him the hero of the series was silly, all four fast bowlers ahead of him, TBH. Flintoff scored a few runs too.

Well there's no doubt the hero of the series was Freddie

 

[grecian]

Bell yes, don't think he'd have done better than KP. Only England player to score anything at Lords, scored 71 at Edgbaston, as well his Oval innings. Don't really see the need to talk his achievements down, especially with comments like only scoring runs in matches we didn't win.

Thorpe wasn't in the greatest of form in the games he played for Surrey that year, so it isn't a given he would have scored stacks of runs.

nope, nor is it a given that he'd have dropped all those catches, meh, still don't think a big time doc should have put him forward as the most influential player of the series.

 

[Jacknife]

Well there's no doubt the hero of the series was Freddie

Agree, KP got held up for the Oval innings and for being pretty consistent but it was Freddy who was the face of that series by some distance.

 

[Jacknife]

nope, nor is it a given that he'd have dropped all those catches, meh, still don't think a big time doc should have put him forward as the most influential player of the series.

Which doc?

 

[grecian]

Which doc?

The comprehensive Ashes one by the BBC pissed me off no end.

 

[Jacknife]

Why, it's not as if he wasn't a influential player and was a breath of fresh air to England's test team at the time, don't see the big deal tbh. Every doc I've watched about it have always painted the series as being Flintoff's Ashes, even though they gave praise to all the players involved.

 

[hazsa19]

Can't really argue with the series' top run scorer...

 

[flibbertyjibber]

You're completely forgetting that Michael Vaughan is a moron

Well it was something Fletcher agreed with.

 

[grecian]

Why, it's not as if he wasn't a influential player and was a breath of fresh air to England's test team at the time, don't see the big deal tbh. Every doc I've watched about it have always painted the series as being Flintoff's Ashes, even though they gave praise to all the players involved.

Which docs are these, I've only seen one. I think I've had this discussion on here before, I wouldn't change the selections now because we won in the most glorious series I've seen, even Bell's brace of fifties may have been decisive. Just think we may have won with a different combination of batsmen, but probably not without flintoff,or the other pace bowlers. Don't think KP was that much of a factor, but who knows.

 

[Jacknife]

Which docs are these, I've only seen one. I think I've had this discussion on here before, I wouldn't change the selections now because we won in the most glorious series I've seen, even Bell's brace of fifties may have been decisive. Just think we may have won with a different combination of batsmen, but probably not without flintoff,or the other pace bowlers. Don't think KP was that much of a factor, but who knows.

There was one on the BBC site, not sure what it was called, another and the best is The Ashes: The Greatest Series which is the channel 4 one, that's on youtube, apart from those I can't remember any other proper documentaries about it.

Honestly don't know how you can say KP wasn't much of a factor but hey it's your opinion.

Theoretically if KP had got a duck in that Oval innings, Australia could have been chasing less than 200 in a little under 2 sessions.

 

[social]

Have to say, with no hint of gloating or trolling, that I think Inverarity is talking out of his aris when he says the Baileys and Forrests of this world are the best Oz has to offer currently.

Obviously Hussey sr has his own (very good) reasons not to be there, but I can't help but think the likes of Hughes, Khawaja, White & (hey) Ponting would've done rather better.

Bailey has played pretty well but I dont think that there is anyone in Australia other than the selectors and his relatives who think Forrest should be playing ODI cricket

He's a pretty good player but not in the shorter forms of the game

There are a number of guys in Oz who are better short form players than Forrest but he wasnt chosen because of his acumen in this form of the game

On the other hand, guys like Ferguson, who are infinitely better one day players, were seemingly omitted to teach them a lesson about scoring big FC runs

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Bailey has played pretty well but I dont think that there is anyone in Australia other than the selectors and his relatives who think Forrest should be playing ODI cricket

He's a pretty good player but not in the shorter forms of the game

There are a number of guys in Oz who are better short form players than Forrest but he wasnt chosen because of his acumen in this form of the game

On the other hand, guys like Ferguson, who are infinitely better one day players, were seemingly omitted to teach them a lesson about scoring big FC runs

All that sounds like the 90's thinking of England. Score heavily in the Natwest final and you made the following winter tour party as you had got runs in a pressure/big game so would be able to transfer it to a test. Selectors are wonderfully stupid at times.

 

[social]

All that sounds like the 90's thinking of England. Score heavily in the Natwest final and you made the following winter tour party as you had got runs in a pressure/big game so would be able to transfer it to a test. Selectors are wonderfully stupid at times.

Ferguson averages over 40 in ODIs at a s/r of 85

Last year he was one of the best one day players in Oz with an average of over 50 at a s/r of 85

Not picked for this tour as selectors want to see him score more FC runs

Not limited to him either - also see Quiney and a few others

It's all about tests atm and the one day team is suffering

BTW, you probably wouldnt be surprised to hear that Forrest averaged 29 at a s/r of 68 in the domestic one day comp last year and wouldnt rank in the top 15 Aussie bats in that format

 

[Top_Cat]

Of course it's all about Tests, always has been. No-one gives a **** about this series or any involving the Aussie OD side anyway, even less ****s are given if Australia holds the Ashes. Even if the Aussies are getting pummelled in Tests, as long as the Ashes are safe it's all good so you can be sure that with the Ashes residing on the other side of the pond, all roads lead to Lords and all other considerations are secondary.

I mean, take a look at the selection of Forrest. Average record in general but a couple of good knocks against the moving ball and boom, suddenly he's a candidate for 3 in the Test side. Now, if only there was a place in the world where a player like that might possibly encounter them again.

 

[Spikey]

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