***Official*** Australia in England 2012

[Furball]

They should run an A tour ahead of the Ashes and get some work into these bowlers IMO.

Nah, I get what you're saying about bowlers being a bit mollycoddled but Australia will need April and May to get some rest. You've got South Africa at home (3 Tests), Sri Lanka at home (3 Tests, 5 ODIs, 2 T20Is) and West Indies at home (5 ODIs) followed by a 4 Test series in India, which pretty much covers November-March for you guys.

 

[Jacknife]

How original Social, England win another game and yet he can't help but pop up at the end of the game to tell us all how crap we really are.

 

[Jacknife]

Nah, I get what you're saying about bowlers being a bit mollycoddled but Australia will need April and May to get some rest. You've got South Africa at home (3 Tests), Sri Lanka at home (3 Tests, 5 ODIs, 2 T20Is) and West Indies at home (5 ODIs) followed by a 4 Test series in India, which pretty much covers November-March for you guys.

Then quite a few go to the IPL.

 

[Furball]

Then quite a few go to the IPL.

Indeed. And when you throw in the away ODIs against Pakistan and the Champions League immediately prior to the South Africa series, some of Australia's top cricketers are facing the prospect of a year's non stop cricket.

 

[Stumpcam]

Then quite a few go to the IPL.

Well, they'll either be completely knackered or in excellent T20 form. That however is no preparation for an Ashes series in England.

England to win 2-0 or 2-1 depending on the weather.

 

[Jacknife]

How the hell do you think Johnson won world cricketer of the year if he was never any good?

Just because he has been crap in a few tests England doesnt mean that he has been bad in ODIs

Broad is an ordinary ODI player - the guy average 12 with the bat at a low s/r and leaks runs when he bowls

Bresnan is in the process of being exposed (sorry but you can go on bowling straignt balls at 130 forever

Overall, it's a no contest

By the way, Bresnan's bowled 130 or whatever he's bowling since he had a serious elbow injury earlier this year, that needed operating and fixing. Since then he's lost a bit of the nip he had before, like the Ashes and the India series where he was consistently 87/88mph but will get it back the more his elbow gets back to normal.

Who exactly is exposing Bresnan then, a part from the fact it's pretty common knowledge that he's a far better test bowler than one day. For some reason you seem to have piped up about him since he got injured, talking about his lack of pace, never was a problem before.

Broad in either test cricket or the one day stuff is a better bowler than Johnson and I rate Johnson as a one day bowler particularly in the sub continent.

 

[NasserFan207]

England's only real weakness is their batting on slow pitches or pitches with uneven bounce. There's not much they can do about this since the young players are unlikely to ever get much experience in those kind of conditions. They are better of sticking with their frontline batsmen and hoping they improve with experience. In Dubai against Pakistan they couldn't handle the fast spin due to the bounce, they kept using the crossbat shots as their scoring method, but it failed miserably due to the bounce. They need to get used to using their feet more, thats all tbh.

Other than that I don't honestly see a major weakness. You can talk about Broad or Bresnan but both have been very solid recently and even if they do fail England have a whole line of guys waiting in the wings. The young spin talent is pretty good too if you follow the CC circuit, particularly for limited overs.

I like to think I am quite unbiast btw.

 

[Jacknife]

England's only real weakness is their batting on slow pitches or pitches with uneven bounce. There's not much they can do about this since the young players are unlikely to ever get much experience in those kind of conditions. They are better of sticking with their frontline batsmen and hoping they improve with experience.

Other than that I don't honestly see a major weakness. You can talk about Broad or Bresnan but both have been very solid recently and even if they do fail England have a whole line of guys waiting in the wings. The young spin talent is pretty good too if you follow the CC circuit, particularly for limited overs.

I like to think I am quite unbiast btw.

I agree, by the time Swann retires there will 3 or 4 ready to step up imo.

 

[Stumpcam]

The only problem I can see is that England's management don't experiment enough with young players to give them experience of the big stage. They are so desperate to win everything (understandable) that they rely on the same bunch of players all the time.

I know it is difficult to drop players who are in form and performing well, but we have to also give the young guys experience as aften as we can.

Perhaps now the series is secure, the selectors will experiment a bit more and give Meaker and Bairstow a go on Tuesday.

 

[NasserFan207]

The only problem I can see is that England's management don't experiment enough with young players to give them experience of the big stage. They are so desperate to win everything (understandable) that they rely on the same bunch of players all the time.

I know it is difficult to drop players who are in form and performing well, but we have to also give the young guys experience as aften as we can.

Perhaps now the series is secure, the selectors will experiment a bit more and give Meaker and Bairstow a go on Tuesday.

IMO this is a ******** strategy. Why play young players if they aren't good enough? It gives them the wrong impression and often leads to them not working as hard.

Players should get picked if they are good enough to make the eleven.

 

[Stumpcam]

Players should get picked if they are good enough to make the eleven.

Yes, but how do you know they are good enough unless you try them?

 

[NasserFan207]

Yes, but how do you know they are good enough unless you try them?

There is such a thing as an FC system

 

[Top_Cat]

McKay for a bag here.

Not quite but was the best bowler, as I thought he would be. Claiming it.

 

[Jacknife]

There is such a thing as an FC system

and Lions games.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Well done England, too good. I think we're a bit lucky rain intervened, otherwise it could easily be 5-0.

 

[theegyptian]

Aussie bowling will be decent next ashes. As people have said the batting is their weakness and I really can't see how they're going to make 300+ throughout the series. And this isn't because I think England's bowling is amazing or anything, I just don't see any of the batsman scoring enough runs especially in english conditions. This ODI series will have very little influence of the ashes but the problems for aus are growing and some of them aren't going to go away.

Next year England will have the better batting and bowling in home conditions and should win comfortably imo. Even though it's only a few months later I can see the australian ashes being very close.

Johnson would be a great addition to the England ODI setup. Fast, skiddy and left handed would compliment the other bowlers really well and although Broad and Bresnan are better test bats Johnson is a quality striker down the order and comfortably the best of the three as a odi batsman(although he couldn't bat at 7 unlike bres)

 

[Son Of Coco]

Johnson would be a great addition to the England ODI setup. Fast, skiddy and left handed would compliment the other bowlers really well and although Broad and Bresnan are better test bats Johnson is a quality striker down the order and comfortably the best of the three as a odi batsman(although he couldn't bat at 7 unlike bres)

He possibly would be, as long as you could get a guarantee from him before each game that he was going to bowl ok...admittedly, he's been a much better ODI bowler than Test bowler for a while, so you might take the risk when he's got some more games under his belt.

England are doing alright with bowlers at the moment though.

 

[Burgey]

I haven't seen much of Bresnan batting in ODIs generally as the time zones work against me seeing him. Is he genuinely up to that position long term?

 

[Mister Wright]

Time for Doherty to go. **** bowler.

 

[Burgey]

Time for Doherty to go. **** bowler.

Yeah, I can see Lyon bowling in ODIs for us as he develops. Pretty happy they're letting him have a tests-only run ATM though.