***Official*** Australia in England 2012

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A washout and STILL NO.1 IN THE WORLD ........

Can we please pick Pattinson next match so there is something to look forward to

 

[Jacknife]

Last thing Warwickshire needed following the WI Test effective wash out - serious financial losses on a newish stadium.

Moral of the story is England shouldn't play at Edgbaston, seriously though they've had some proper rotten luck with the weather this summer and it's the last thing they need with all the cash owed on the stadium, may have to start producing their own young players.

 

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Think at this stage of the cycle, i.e. a fair way from the world cup, they have prioritised Test match cricket with international exposure for Bailey and Forrest.

Agreed but having said that, I reckon the selections for this and the A tour were a massive back-hander to Usman and real encouragement to Burns

Mind you, just what Holland is doing on the A tour is anyone's guess!

 

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At this stage it doesn't look good for Saturday in Chester-le-Street either. Current synoptics show an occluded front laying slap bang over the North of England on saturday. There is not always a great deal of energy in an occluded front but the risk is of heavy showers sparked by any sunshine that emerges.

This is what happened today in the Midlands.

I hope it changes in the next 24 hours.

 

[MW1304]

Marsh, lol

Ferguson had a pretty crappy summer, but is probably stiff to have been left out completely, yeah

Marsh was in poor form, yes, mainly in the longer form, but scored a 70 3 matches ago, apparently. Remember him scoring a brilliant hundred against us last year, as well. Seems worth sticking with to me but there you go.

 

[Prince EWS]

Speaking of Australia's batting problems, what the **** happened to Callum Ferguson? Looked a really promising one day batsman. Didn't think Shaun Marsh had done too much wrong, either. Surely these guys are better bets than Smith and Forrest.

Marsh, lol

Ferguson had a pretty crappy summer, but is probably stiff to have been left out completely, yeah

I believe Ferguson scored the most runs in the Ryobi Cup, or at least went close. He had a shocker in the Shield but he's shown for an extended period now that he's a quality one day batsman, and he should be in the side, especially with Hussey out. Voges and Marsh should be in the mix too. These three are all perfect examples IMO of the generation of batsmen who just didn't push on at Shield level like we expected and the reason we have no real Test batting prospects in that age group, but one day cricket is a different story and they've all performed there domestically and indeed internationally when they've got the chance.

As vic said I think they're just looking at possible #3 options for the Test side should Cowan fail and Watson be pushed back up to open; they're giving these blokes experience. At least I hope so anyway; we're in major trouble if the selectors legitimately believe Bailey and Forrest are better one day batsmen than Ferguson and Voges.

 

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I'm watching there re-run of the Eng v Aus ODI on 22-6-2010 at the Rose Bowl.

Kieswetter was bowled by Hazlewood, a 19 year-old debutant.

What happened to Hazlewood?

 

[Prince EWS]

I'm watching there re-run of the Eng v Aus ODI on 22-6-2010 at the Rose Bowl.

Kieswetter was bowled by Hazlewood, a 19 year-old debutant.

What happened to Hazlewood?

Still cutting his teeth in state cricket, where he belongs. Shouldn't have been picked when he was; it was completely random. He's had some injury troubles which is why he hasn't played a lot for New South Wales yet (well that and the fact that he's 21) but he was never going to be a permanent member of the Australian setup when he was picked for that match.

 

[marc71178]

Moral of the story is England shouldn't play at Edgbaston, seriously though they've had some proper rotten luck with the weather this summer and it's the last thing they need with all the cash owed on the stadium, may have to start producing their own young players.

3 of the current squad not enough then?

 

[Burgey]

22 degreees here ftr.

Mind you don't collapse from heat stroke.

 

[Jacknife]

3 of the current squad not enough then?

How does them having a few players in the squad have anything to do with Warks trying to buy other Counties young players. Only a bit of a tongue in cheek comment anyway and I'm not sure Warks can lay claim to producing Trott.

 

[marc71178]

Well it goes to show they do develop players. Trott had barely played a game before he came over to play second XI cricket.

 

[uvelocity]

22 degreees here ftr.

25 here right now

 

[Jacknife]

Well it goes to show they do develop players. Trott had barely played a game before he came over to play second XI cricket.

There a ****ing big club course they develop players, still like pinching others given half a chance.


Just looking at the forecast for the next game, doesn't look like it's up to much in Durham, surprisingly another day of heavy rain.

 

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Australia in England 2012: Australia need Michael Clarke at No. 3 | Opinion | Cricinfo Magazine | ESPN Cricinfo

Inevitable (annual, probably) article re: Clarke batting at 3.

 

[Spikey]

well it's better than forrest

 

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As vic said I think they're just looking at possible #3 options for the Test side should Cowan fail and Watson be pushed back up to open; they're giving these blokes experience. At least I hope so anyway; we're in major trouble if the selectors legitimately believe Bailey and Forrest are better one day batsmen than Ferguson and Voges.

The 'giving them experience for test cricket' reason for inclusion is fine, but only if a: they are also right up there as the best possible choices for OD batsmen as well, or b: they only plan on giving them a couple of games as a 'taste' of international cricket, but have no intentions of keeping them for long periods in the format (hence not jeopardising results in the format in any major way). Hell I don't event really like OD cricket, and personally I don't really care if we lose a few OD series for the potential benefit of the test team in the future. But from a professional sport perspective, that's nonsense...you can't just essentially write off results in one of the forms of the game. Fair enough if the selectors think players like Forrest are legitimately good OD options...I totally disagree with them, but at least it's a valid reason for selection. If, though, they are aware of better OD options out there, but persist with inferior players despite a series like this (and the number one ranking) being on the line, then they are just failing to do their job imo.

 

[marc71178]

There a ****ing big club course they develop players, still like pinching others given half a chance.

So who have they actually pinched out of the current squad then? Looking through it, about 70% seem to be with their first county.

 

[flibbertyjibber]

So who have they actually pinched out of the current squad then? Looking through it, about 70% seem to be with their first county.

I am presuming he is on about the fact that in recent times they have taken Chopra, Maddy, Clarke and Wright. Quite a decent chunk of the side that have been transferred in I suppose.

Can't be arsed to check other counties but Notts are probably far worse in getting players in from elsewhere.

 

[MW1304]

The 'giving them experience for test cricket' reason for inclusion is fine, but only if a: they are also right up there as the best possible choices for OD batsmen as well, or b: they only plan on giving them a couple of games as a 'taste' of international cricket, but have no intentions of keeping them for long periods in the format (hence not jeopardising results in the format in any major way). Hell I don't event really like OD cricket, and personally I don't really care if we lose a few OD series for the potential benefit of the test team in the future. But from a professional sport perspective, that's nonsense...you can't just essentially write off results in one of the forms of the game. Fair enough if the selectors think players like Forrest are legitimately good OD options...I totally disagree with them, but at least it's a valid reason for selection. If, though, they are aware of better OD options out there, but persist with inferior players despite a series like this (and the number one ranking) being on the line, then they are just failing to do their job imo.

Yeah thoroughly agree with this. The problem is, I don't really see how they can think Forrest is legitimately one of the best OD options, looking at his record, and the way I've seen him perform internationally as well, which suggests they are just picking him for his Test credentials. If I was a fan I'd be annoyed that the selectors weren't simply picking the best players available. Yes exposing future Test prospects to English conditions could be useful, and yes getting them settled into international cricket could be likewise, but first and foremost I'd want the best chance of winning this series.

What's even more confusing is that a player like Smith doesn't seem all that close to the Test team, so what is he doing there? Not giving you the best chance of winning or getting a Test option used to English conditions. He's already played here ffs.