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Quick World ATG XI draft- No Bradman

watson

Banned
Incidently, I don't think that it's a coincidence that India's greatest ever batting partnership happened when Dravid was at 6 and Laxman at 3. Laxman is not as efficient and pragmatic as Dravid but his flare and skill make him a more natural first drop.

However, I'm not an expert on Indian cricket, so I'm happy to be wrong.
 
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Daemon

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Incidently, I don't think that it's a coincidence that India's greatest ever batting partnership happened when Dravid was at 6 and Laxman at 3. Laxman is not as efficient and pragmatic as Dravid but his flare and skill make him a more natural first drop.

However, I'm not an expert on Indian cricket, so I'm happy to be wrong.
he does set the stage alight doesn't he
 

Jager

International Debutant
Waiting for smelly as usual :laugh:

Dravid was one of the finest first drop batsmen ever, no doubt in my mind.
 

Jager

International Debutant
Sir Everton Weekes

1. Herbert Sutcliffe
2.
3. Rahul Dravid
4. Brian Lara
5. Everton Weekes
6.
7. Keith Miller
8.
9. Andy Roberts
10. Waqar Younis
11. Clarrie Grimmett
 

Red

The normal awards that everyone else has
Round 8

kyear- Arthur Morris

watson- Clyde Walcott

kingkallis- Dennis Compton

rvd619323- Clive Rice

Monk- Kumar Sangakkara

zaremba- Archie Jackson

smalishah84- Saeed Ajmal

Jager- Everton Weekes

Himannv- Andy Flower


Round 9

Himannv- Victor Trumper

Jager- Dennis Lindsay

smalishah84

zaremba

Monk

rvd619323

kingkallis

watson

kyear
 
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watson

Banned
Sir Everton Weekes

1. Herbert Sutcliffe
2.
3. Rahul Dravid
4. Brian Lara
5. Everton Weekes
6.
7. Keith Miller
8.
9. Andy Roberts
10. Waqar Younis
11. Clarrie Grimmett
Pretty evil looking batting line-up you have there Jager. Length and line definitely required by the bowlers or they get smashed.
 

Himannv

Hall of Fame Member
Andy Flower
Victor Trumper


EDIT: Bolded my picks and coloured them red as per the request to make them easier to find in the jumble of text.

Lest I forget, my team so far:

01.
02. Victor Trumper
03. George Headley
04. Ken Barrington
05.
06. Garry Sobers
07. Andy Flower+
08. Alan Davidson
09. Shaun Pollock
10. Dale Steyn
11. Sydney Barnes
 
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Jager

International Debutant
Denis Lindsay

With Miller at 7, I have to have a wicketkeeper who is good enough to bat ahead of him. I just found out he Lindsay averaged 40 on the dot when he was the designated wicketkeeper, and a fine wicketkeeper he was. I would not have been happy choosing a keeper who wasn't an excellent gloveman. My lineup might look strange at first, but considering the colossuses that bat before him, Lindsay is a fantastic number six. Miller at seven means he is free from a large amount of responsibility that comes with batting higher in the order, so he is free to be the ultimate game-changer.

1. Herbert Sutcliffe
2.
3. Rahul Dravid
4. Brian Lara
5. Everton Weekes
6. Denis Lindsay+
7. Keith Miller*
8.
9. Andy Roberts
10. Waqar Younis
11. Clarrie Grimmett
 

Dan

Hall of Fame Member
Denis Lindsay

With Miller at 7, I have to have a wicketkeeper who is good enough to bat ahead of him. I just found out he Lindsay averaged 40 on the dot when he was the designated wicketkeeper, and a fine wicketkeeper he was. I would not have been happy choosing a keeper who wasn't an excellent gloveman. My lineup might look strange at first, but considering the colossuses that bat before him, Lindsay is a fantastic number six. Miller at seven means he is free from a large amount of responsibility that comes with batting higher in the order, so he is free to be the ultimate game-changer.
Lindsay is pretty underrated in the scheme of things in terms of wicketkeepers - a very good gloveman and aggressive, dominant batsman in the days before Gilchrist.

He was a bit of a one-series wonder, however that can be put down to South Africa's isolation. I don't think he would average 40 with the bat over a long career, but would have been head-and-shoulders above his contemporaries on the batting front, regardless.
 

kyear2

International Coach
Jagaer has benn doing a consistently great job of destroying my draft plans. First Sutcliffe and Grimmett, now Weekes and Lindsay (though it was unlikely Wekkes was going to last that long). Batting line up and slip cordon looks amazing.
 
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watson

Banned
Andy Flower
Victor Trumper


EDIT: Bolded my picks and coloured them red as per the request to make them easier to find in the jumble of text.

Lest I forget, my team so far:

01.
02. Victor Trumper
03. George Headley
04. Ken Barrington
05.
06. Garry Sobers
07. Andy Flower+
08. Alan Davidson
09. Shaun Pollock
10. Dale Steyn
11. Sydney Barnes
It's likely you'll end up with 7 specialist batsman (I was considering playing Flower as a specialist batsman), 2 allrounders, and a bowler who can bat pretty well. In other words a team that can score runs all the way down to No.10! Incidently Pollock (centuries=2, ave=32.3) is a better batsman than Davidson (centuries=0, ave=24.6)

Also, at first I thought that you weren't playing a specialist spinner, but then realised that SF Barnes is England's equivalent to Bill O'Reilly!
 
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kyear2

International Coach
It's likely you'll end up with 7 specialist batsman (I was considering playing Flower as a specialist batsman), 2 allrounders, and a bowler who can bat pretty well. In other words a team that can score runs all the way down to No.10! Incidently Pollock (centuries=2, ave=32.3) is a better batsman than Davidson (centuries=0, ave=24.6)

Also, at first I thought that you weren't playing a specialist spinner, but then realised that SF Barnes is England's equivalent to Bill O'Reilly!
One of these days we will have to come up with a definitive classification for Barnes.
 

Red

The normal awards that everyone else has
Round 8

kyear- Arthur Morris

watson- Clyde Walcott

kingkallis- Dennis Compton

rvd619323- Clive Rice

Monk- Kumar Sangakkara

zaremba- Archie Jackson

smalishah84- Saeed Ajmal

Jager- Everton Weekes

Himannv- Andy Flower


Round 9

Himannv- Victor Trumper

Jager- Dennis Lindsay

smalishah84

zaremba

Monk

rvd619323

kingkallis

watson

kyear
 

Red

The normal awards that everyone else has
Most cricketers and students of the game belonging to the period in which S.F. Barnes played were agreed that he was the bowler of the century. Australians as well as English voted him unanimously the greatest. Clem Hill, the famous Australian left-handed batsman, who in successive Test innings scored 99, 98, 97, v. A.C. MacLaren's England team of 1901-02, told me that on a perfect wicket Barnes could swing the new ball in and out "very late", could spin from the ground, pitch on the leg stump and miss the off. At Melbourne, in December 1911, Barnes in five overs overwhelmed Kelleway, Bardsley, Hill and Armstrong for a single.

Hill was clean bowled by him. "The ball pitched outside my leg-stump, safe to the push off my pads, I thought. Before I could `pick up' my bat, my off-stump was knocked silly."

Barnes was creative, one of the first bowlers really to use the seam of a new ball and combine swing so subtly with spin that few batsmen could distinguish one from the other.

Sir Donald Bradman argued that W.J. O'Reilly must have been a greater bowler than Barnes because he commanded every ball developed in Barnes's day -- plus the googly. I told Barnes of Bradman's remark. "It's quite true," he said, "I never bowled the `googly.'" Then with a glint in his eye, he added, "I never needed it."

Barnes had a splendid upright action, right arm straight over.He ran on easy strides, not a penn'orth of energy wasted. He fingered a cricket ball sensitively, like a violinist his fiddle. He always attacked. "Why do these bowlers today send down so many balls the batsman needn't play?" he asked while watching a Test match many years ago. "I didn't. I never gave'em any rest."

Wilfred Rhodes, who celebrated his 90th birthday in October, 1967, one of the greatest of cricket's all-rounders, and one of the few remaining contemporaries of Barnes in the England side: Barnes was a very fine medium-paced bowler, the best I ever played with. He had a lovely run-up to the wicket, carrying the ball in his left hand until he was only two paces from the crease and then transferring it to his right. He kept a perfect length and direction and, if you wanted to field close to the wicket say, at short leg, you could stand up to the batsman without any fear. He was quite a decent bat, far better than he was made out to be and too good for a number eleven. He was also a very good fielder.

Herbert Strudwick, the old Surrey and England wicketkeeper (now 88): He was the greatest bowler I ever kept wicket to, for he sent down something different each ball of the over. He could turn it either way in remarkable fashion and I shall never forget keeping to him for the first time in a Gentlemen v. Players match at The Oval. His opening delivery pitched outside the leg stump and flew over the top of the off stump. I said to a team-mate: "What sort of bowler have we here?" I soon found out. Sydney could do almost anything with the ball. On matting wickets in South Africa where I toured with him, he was practically unplayable.
(cricinfo)

I reckon he must have been a medium fast who bowled swing, seam and spin as he wished.

The art of medium pace bowling doesn't really exist like that any more. I am trying to think of modern cricketers who bowl like this. He sounds somewhat similar to McGrath, who bowled swing and seam and some "cutters", but perhaps Barnes was a bit slower than McGrath's pace.

Anyone remember the NZ bowler Chris Harris. I used to love watching him bowl his dobbly little medium pace spin/swing things. Probably because it's similar to the trash I serve up in summer! Not many medium pacers in international cricket nowadays though...
 
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