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*Unofficial* New Zealand Black Caps Thread
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Furball
Evil Scotsman
What else do you want England to do? There's an Ashes series and a Champions Trophy to schedule that summer.
I blame the BCCI.
Swing and miss. They shouldn't have to choose. I'm sure you'd be just as honourable, not given the choice.
GGG
State Captain
This and Williamson as captain.
Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
push the test out by a single day.
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
It's not actually that simple when you look at the other schedules (and that's before you look at the Test starting dates it would bring and the new days of the week for the ODIs if you did that)
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
Some crappy compromise will be reached and the top players will fly in a day before the tests and leave the day after to go sit on a very well-funded bench, if this year's ipl is anything to go by.
We deserve only 2 tests vs England at present. Two tests against the Windies on the other hand - still annngreeeEYeYYe.
We deserve only 2 tests vs England at present. Two tests against the Windies on the other hand - still annngreeeEYeYYe.
Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
cancel the single odi then. and before you scream loss of revenue - a side missing our "star" players isn't going to last 5 days in a test so you would lose revenue there.
Howsie
International Captain
Yep, as long as they don't accept a six figure New Zealand contract this July it really shouldn't be a problem.
GGG
State Captain
We deserve because we have a low ranking? Wouldn't more tests give us a chance to improve and raise our ranking? I read somewhere that we have a better win ratio that the WI but since they have played more games they have a better ranking....
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
It's a 3 ODI series, cancelling one would make absolutely no sense from a sporting or financial point of view.
Rankings are based on average points per Test so playing more doesn't necessarily mean you have a better ranking.
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
If the difference between two sides is vast then I don't have a problem with a two test series - no-one benefits from absolute drubbings. Who would have wanted a third test when we toured South Africa in late 2007? In saying that we were competitive enough to make the recent 3-test series vs South Africa at home worthwhile and we'll see where they are compared to England soon. Obviously I want 3-test series minimum unless the teams are on completely different levels.
You don't particularly get it, do you. We're expecting cricketers to be loyal to their country and at the same time a carrot is being dangled in front of them (IPL) that sets them up for life. And nothing is being done to remedy it.
But no, it's easier to criticise. Poor old money-making cricketers.
Players are expected, by and large, by the public to have loyalty to their country and a bunch of faceless fans over the financial security of their family. Sounds feasible, doesn't it.
So we preach at the altar of Guptill, who made himself unavailable for the IPL even though he wouldn't have been picked up and in any case is in danger of losing his national spot. But we frown upon those 'two or three guys' who have selection security and choose to take advantage of their talents and maximise their earnings. Righto.
So we preach at the altar of Guptill, who made himself unavailable for the IPL even though he wouldn't have been picked up and in any case is in danger of losing his national spot. But we frown upon those 'two or three guys' who have selection security and choose to take advantage of their talents and maximise their earnings. Righto.
Bahnz
Hall of Fame Member
But isn't the whole issue arising from the fact that their NZC contracts entitle them to 5 weeks off? It's not like they're breaking any of the terms or conditions of their employment. The NZC agreed to this in the first place, so you can hardly blame the players for doing what they're contractually entitled to do.
straw man
Hall of Fame Member
I doubt they're contractually entitled to 5 weeks holiday whenever they feel like i.e. during a major tour.
It's obvious to me that both extreme views that we might have in this case are wrong
- Viewing national sport as being purely or even primarily about maximising your earning ability is a very sad view of the world
- Making absolutist statements about how playing for your country should trump all financial considerations comes across as sanctimonious when we're not faced with the moral dilemma ourselves
(not saying members of this forum necessarily hold either of the above views)
Hence the need for a crappy compromise somewhere in those shades of grey. My hope is that messrs McCullum and Vettori, who have both already done pretty well out of the IPL and more-or-less set themselves up for life, will forfeit several tens of thousands of dollars from a couple of IPL weeks to at least play the England tests and preferably one warm-up match. It doesn't bother me much if McCullum also plays some meaningless IPL rather than some only-slightly-less meaningless ODIs and T20s vs England.
It's a lot harder for Taylor, because he's the captain, is supposed to set an example and it's a terrible message for him to leave his team to go make some $$$. IMO if he wants to be NZ captain he has to suck it up and play every match vs England.
These guys are perfectly entitled to also express just how pissed off with this scheduling they are to NZC and anyone else, with the hope that this decreases the chance of this sort of conflict being repeated.
Problem solved
Now for Israel-Palestine
It's obvious to me that both extreme views that we might have in this case are wrong
- Viewing national sport as being purely or even primarily about maximising your earning ability is a very sad view of the world
- Making absolutist statements about how playing for your country should trump all financial considerations comes across as sanctimonious when we're not faced with the moral dilemma ourselves
(not saying members of this forum necessarily hold either of the above views)
Hence the need for a crappy compromise somewhere in those shades of grey. My hope is that messrs McCullum and Vettori, who have both already done pretty well out of the IPL and more-or-less set themselves up for life, will forfeit several tens of thousands of dollars from a couple of IPL weeks to at least play the England tests and preferably one warm-up match. It doesn't bother me much if McCullum also plays some meaningless IPL rather than some only-slightly-less meaningless ODIs and T20s vs England.
It's a lot harder for Taylor, because he's the captain, is supposed to set an example and it's a terrible message for him to leave his team to go make some $$$. IMO if he wants to be NZ captain he has to suck it up and play every match vs England.
These guys are perfectly entitled to also express just how pissed off with this scheduling they are to NZC and anyone else, with the hope that this decreases the chance of this sort of conflict being repeated.
Problem solved
Now for Israel-Palestine