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What is Broad's test bowling average?
What is Hilf's? Or Philander's? Or Harris'? etc etc
Remind me again who is talking crap
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Would Stuart Broad make the world's strongest XI?
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What is Hilf's? Or Philander's? Or Harris'? etc etc
Remind me again who is talking crap
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You question was " Would Stuart Broad make the world's strongest x1?"
Sorry but the answer is obviously "NO"
Steyn picks himself
Anderson is better than Broad
Ajmal
Philander, Hilf, Harris, Siddle etc etc etc all have better records than Broad
It's pretty bloody easy when you think about it
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Is Stuart Broad a better bowler than Steyn?
Not in this lifetime or any other
Is Stuart Broad a better bowler than Anderson?
Not as big a gap but you get my drift
Spinner?
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOh that may come in handy
Now, let's look at just one of Broad's direct competitors in Vernon Philander
331 FC wickets at 18
51 test wickets at 14
Broad - let's not even go there!
He averages 30+ with the ball in tests and 28 in fc
Aside from Philander, every single one of his direct competitors has a better record
FMD, it's not hard to work out that he wouldnt make it!
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You're, erm, reverse straw-manning yourself.
Pretty reasonable to argue that Broad wouldn't make a World XI. This is what's drawing the collective facepalm:
Pretty reasonable to argue that Broad wouldn't make a World XI. This is what's drawing the collective facepalm:
Cabinet96
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I think it's a bit harsh to look at Broad's overall test record, as when he was brought in he was arguably not quite ready and was more picked for the future. He averaged 45 in his first year of test cricket. Since then he's averaged 27, since the middle of the 2009 ashes he's averaged 25 and since the start of the India series he's averaged 17. He's been improving throughout his career and is a much better bowler than the one who entered the test game 4 years ago, so to hold what he did then against him now isn't fair IMO.
zaremba
Cricketer Of The Year
We're only now starting to be able to judge how good he is. He was picked a bit too young; he was retained in the team through some lean bowling times largely due to his batting and a faith in his potential which started to appear somewhat optimistic; and he wasted a lot of time as "the Enforcer" bowling unthreatening long-hops. And after all that it's only now that we're starting to see how good a bowler can be.
A pretty simple philosophy is key: pitch it up. Pitch it up! P I T C H IT U P ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !!
And while the jury is still out, I reckon he's starting to look the goods.
A pretty simple philosophy is key: pitch it up. Pitch it up! P I T C H IT U P ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !!
And while the jury is still out, I reckon he's starting to look the goods.
Prince EWS
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Should've closed the thread after this post.Yes, as he is already in it.
BoyBrumby
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I think Sparko hit the nail on the head:
None of them are complete mugs with the bat, but only Philander is a serious option for a #8 and Chris jr is England's most successful eight ever.
Even if one accepts Steyn, Anderson, Philander, Pattinson & Hilf 2.0 are better bowlers he's patently a cut above where it comes to an all round package.
None of them are complete mugs with the bat, but only Philander is a serious option for a #8 and Chris jr is England's most successful eight ever.
uvelocity
International Coach
all rounder: bowl avg 18, bat avg 34
watson
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You're right if you look at Broad's entire Test match career.
However, if you analyse his last 24 months then you get the following figures;
Matches: 18
Batting Ave: 33.00
Bowling Ave: 23.46
These are great numbers and up there with the very best all-rounders. If Broad's form continues on the same trajectory for another 4-5 seasons (the next Ashes series against Warner, Clarke, Pattinson, Cummins will be a good measuring stick) ,and I don't see any reason why it can't, then Broad should be bracketed with the very best. After all, he IS a very talented player with well focused aggression.
Burgey
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Best all rounder in the world ATM.all rounder: bowl avg 18, bat avg 34
Agent Nationaux
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Steyn, Broad, Philander and Ajmal for me ATM in my world XI team.
Jacknife
International Captain
Might have better career records but anyone with half a brain knows he was picked too early and has basically learned his cricket as a international player but saying that in the last 2 years he averages better than the likes of Harris, Hilfenaus & Siddle.
Broad, 71 @ 23
Harris 38 @ 24
Siddle 57 @ 27
Hilfenaus 58 @ 27
Doesn't make much sense bringing in career averages into it anyway because Tremlett, Bresnan and Finn also have better averages than Broad not that it means much does it.
Debris
International 12th Man
Now all you have to do is make the case for why a World XI needs an all-rounder.
Prince EWS
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I'm tempted to do it just to make a liar out of you but I agree in essence; Anderson and Steyn are non-negotiable for me. Broad/Philander and Swann/Ajmal would make up my other two bowling spots, dependant largely on my whims of the day most likely. Pushed right now I'd probably have to say Broad (for batting) and Swann (partly for catching/batting and partly because I instinctively feel his more traditional method is less likely to suddenly be debunked or neutralised by conditions).
At this point I find it a lot easier to come up with a squad of fifteen than an eleven:
Cook
Sehwag
Sangakkara
Younis
Kallis
Chanderpaul
Clarke
Prior
Watson
Broad
Swann
Philander
Steyn
Anderson
Ajmal
Watson probably the oddest call, but given it's usually concentration that gets him out rather than the bowling as such I don't think his performance would be mitigated by a step up in quality (ie. I think his performances would be very similar to what they are at Test level), so with the paucity of viable opening options and his awesome bowling effectiveness of late (particularly in light of Kallis's bowling decline) I think he'd be a good balance option for the squad. He wouldn't be Plan A though. I'd actually be tempted to open with Sanga, but that'd leave me with no number three in the squad, so Sehwag it is.
Furball
Evil Scotsman
I can't put you on ignore though
