Jager
International Debutant
Wow, I wish I could get this program... oh the hours I'd waste simming games.
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The ATG World XI's game
- Thread starter NUFAN
- Start date
NUFAN
Y no Afghanistan flag
Apologies for not mentioning Denis Lindsay on the latest suggested list. Definitely worthy of a mention.
We've had 15 votes so far, but I'll wait a good 12 hours or so until the final slot is finalised.
Jager are you still keen to do the World C team? If not I don't mind at all running it.
We've had 15 votes so far, but I'll wait a good 12 hours or so until the final slot is finalised.
Jager are you still keen to do the World C team? If not I don't mind at all running it.
Jager
International Debutant
Sure, I'd be glad to continue. I'll start the next one tomorrow around midday, and if not, sometime during the evening. Is that okay?
NUFAN
Y no Afghanistan flag
Yeah sounds good. I'll make sure I get around to calling this sometime in the late morning. If you don't mind including what batting order everyone wants for the World B team in your first up questions, that would be appreciated too.
Also, I've heard you say that you like making teams with 2 or sometimes 3 spinners. You aren't going to force us to pick that many are you? I don't have a problem with an attack featuring 2 spinners at all. But forcing us to have 3 is definitely excessive.
Jager
International Debutant
Of course not. Do you want me to follow your format exactly or can I modify it slightly for this round?
NUFAN
Y no Afghanistan flag
Cool, cool. Nah go ahead and modify it slightly. Its more fun changing it up a little each round.
Jager
International Debutant
Definitely, should be good. I just had a look at the simulated matches by aussie. He made all time teams for each test nation (Bangladesh and Zimbabwe excluded) and ran a tournament. Interestingly enough, Bradman scored 908 runs from 15 innings at an average of 60.53, with 4 centuries and 5 fiftes, so there is a chance the Bradman factor could be nullified. I am less certain about the top team winning now.
Jager
International Debutant
Also, if anyone wants me to look over the statistics for a specific player, I will give you a report on how he went in an ATG comparison.
Keith Miller
Matches: 8
Bat: 596 runs at 42.57
Bowl: 24 wickets at 29.79
He was used as a fifth bowler in almost every case, though.
Keith Miller
Matches: 8
Bat: 596 runs at 42.57
Bowl: 24 wickets at 29.79
He was used as a fifth bowler in almost every case, though.
NUFAN
Y no Afghanistan flag
Results: Les Ames finishes ahead of Clyde Walcott 9-5 (I believe) to claim the keeping spot. Its a toss up as to where he should bat in the order. I figure Miller played predominantly in the top 6, while Ames batted at 7 more than any other position throughout his career.
World B XI
1 B Richards
2 V Trumper
3 G Chappell
4 G Pollock
5 A Border
6 K Miller
7 L Ames
8 D Lillee
9 F Trueman
10 B O'Reilly
11 S Barnes
World XI
1 J Hobbs 2 L Hutton 3 D Bradman 4 V Richards 5 S Tendulkar 6 G Sobers 7 A Gilchrist 8 I Khan 9 S Warne 10 M Marshall 11 G McGrath
World A XI
1 S Gavaskar 2 H Sutcliffe 3 G Headley 4 B Lara 5 W Hammond 6 J Kallis 7 A Knott 8 R Hadlee 9 W Akram 10 C Ambrose 11 M Muralitharan
Over to Jager..
World B XI
1 B Richards
2 V Trumper
3 G Chappell
4 G Pollock
5 A Border
6 K Miller
7 L Ames
8 D Lillee
9 F Trueman
10 B O'Reilly
11 S Barnes
World XI
1 J Hobbs 2 L Hutton 3 D Bradman 4 V Richards 5 S Tendulkar 6 G Sobers 7 A Gilchrist 8 I Khan 9 S Warne 10 M Marshall 11 G McGrath
World A XI
1 S Gavaskar 2 H Sutcliffe 3 G Headley 4 B Lara 5 W Hammond 6 J Kallis 7 A Knott 8 R Hadlee 9 W Akram 10 C Ambrose 11 M Muralitharan
Over to Jager..
Jager
International Debutant
Alright, let's start on the World C team.
1. Do you disagree with the batting order of the World B lineup? If so, what changes should be made?
2. Select two opening bowlers.
3. Select a spinner.
4. Do you want this team to have 4 bowling options or 5 (most likely in the form of an all-rounder)?
In organizing the base of our bowling lineup at the beginning, I am hoping that it will give us more knowledge as to whether we should play a specialist batsman, genuine all-rounder or a Worrell-type fifth bowler at number 6, therefore giving us a more balanced team at the end.
1. Do you disagree with the batting order of the World B lineup? If so, what changes should be made?
2. Select two opening bowlers.
3. Select a spinner.
4. Do you want this team to have 4 bowling options or 5 (most likely in the form of an all-rounder)?
In organizing the base of our bowling lineup at the beginning, I am hoping that it will give us more knowledge as to whether we should play a specialist batsman, genuine all-rounder or a Worrell-type fifth bowler at number 6, therefore giving us a more balanced team at the end.
vic_orthdox
Global Moderator
Hmm, see, I think question 4 would depend on what the batting is like of the bowlers that we choose. Is it worth holding that question back till we see who gets selected as part of the first three bowlers?
Jager
International Debutant
Suggested shortlist for fast bowlers
Neil Adcock, Shoaib Akhtar, Alec Bedser, Ian Bishop, Ian Botham, Colin Croft, Alan Davidson, Kapil Dev, Allan Donald, Joel Garner, Wes Hall, Michael Holding, Harold Larwood, Garth Le Roux, Ray Lindwall, George Lohmann, Fazal Mahmood, Shaun Pollock, Mike Procter, Andy Roberts, John Snow, Fred Spofforth, Brian Statham, Dale Steyn, Heath Streak, Frank Tyson, Charlie Turner, Chaminda Vaas, Courtney Walsh, Bob Willis, Waqar Younis
Suggested shortlist for spin
Bishan Bedi, Richie Benaud, Charlie Blythe, Johnny Briggs, Bhajwath Chandrasekhar, Aubrey Faulkner, Lance Gibbs, Clarrie Grimmett, Subhash Gupte, Anil Kumble, Jim Laker, Tony Lock, Stuart MacGill, Saqlain Mushtaq, Bobby Peel, Erapalli Prasanna, Abdul Qadir, Wilfred Rhodes, Graeme Swann, Hugh Tayfield, Hugh Trumble, Derek Underwood, Hedley Verity, Johnny Wardle
Neil Adcock, Shoaib Akhtar, Alec Bedser, Ian Bishop, Ian Botham, Colin Croft, Alan Davidson, Kapil Dev, Allan Donald, Joel Garner, Wes Hall, Michael Holding, Harold Larwood, Garth Le Roux, Ray Lindwall, George Lohmann, Fazal Mahmood, Shaun Pollock, Mike Procter, Andy Roberts, John Snow, Fred Spofforth, Brian Statham, Dale Steyn, Heath Streak, Frank Tyson, Charlie Turner, Chaminda Vaas, Courtney Walsh, Bob Willis, Waqar Younis
Suggested shortlist for spin
Bishan Bedi, Richie Benaud, Charlie Blythe, Johnny Briggs, Bhajwath Chandrasekhar, Aubrey Faulkner, Lance Gibbs, Clarrie Grimmett, Subhash Gupte, Anil Kumble, Jim Laker, Tony Lock, Stuart MacGill, Saqlain Mushtaq, Bobby Peel, Erapalli Prasanna, Abdul Qadir, Wilfred Rhodes, Graeme Swann, Hugh Tayfield, Hugh Trumble, Derek Underwood, Hedley Verity, Johnny Wardle
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Jager
International Debutant
I partially agree, it doesn't really need to be answered yet, but could help us find out what direction this team is going in.
vic_orthdox
Global Moderator
Michael Holding
Fearsome pace, smooth run-up, smart and dangerous.
John Snow
Menacing, gave little away, provides a test for all batsmen that he'd come across.
It really is becoming a bit of preference now with these quicks, it's a toss-up between so many. Donald, Davidson and Statham stiff to miss out.
Jim Laker
The pre-eminent off-spinner before Murali, really, and although I harbour some concerns again in the lower order, relying on others' penchant for Davidson to give the lower order some strength. Thought about nominating Benaud, and have him combine with Davidson for a very strong lower order, but I think at this stage we firstly need to worry about getting the opposition out, and Laker provides that better than Benaud IMO.
Fearsome pace, smooth run-up, smart and dangerous.
John Snow
Menacing, gave little away, provides a test for all batsmen that he'd come across.
It really is becoming a bit of preference now with these quicks, it's a toss-up between so many. Donald, Davidson and Statham stiff to miss out.
Jim Laker
The pre-eminent off-spinner before Murali, really, and although I harbour some concerns again in the lower order, relying on others' penchant for Davidson to give the lower order some strength. Thought about nominating Benaud, and have him combine with Davidson for a very strong lower order, but I think at this stage we firstly need to worry about getting the opposition out, and Laker provides that better than Benaud IMO.
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Jager
International Debutant
I'm going to put my cards on the table.
Pace bowlers: Alan Davidson and Joel Garner
Spinner: Clarrie Grimmett
I went for absolute control here, Davidson's swing and Garner's bounce accuracy should compliment each other whilst giving nothing away. Grimmett can plot the demise of any batsman whilst one of the above starve them for runs.
Pace bowlers: Alan Davidson and Joel Garner
Spinner: Clarrie Grimmett
I went for absolute control here, Davidson's swing and Garner's bounce accuracy should compliment each other whilst giving nothing away. Grimmett can plot the demise of any batsman whilst one of the above starve them for runs.
vic_orthdox
Global Moderator
Argh, missed Grimmett. Will stick with my pick though.