A Batsman's 'Prime'

[chasingthedon]

You're so high maintenance

Remember this is just the top 30 peak batsmen - a larger sample may reveal different results; maybe PEWS can write some code to parse the website and get additional info, at least on age at peak. ["first -50" is the first time the batsman came within 50 points of his peak, "last -50" would be the last time this occurred].

Player	first -50	last -50	duration (years)
Bradman	1934	1948	14.2
Hammond	1933	1946	13.4
Tendulkar	1998	2010	12.8
Lara	1995	2005	10.3
Sobers	1959	1969	10.1
Headley	1939	1948	9.4
Hobbs	1912	1921	9.1
Dravid	1999	2006	7.8
Harvey	1953	1960	7
Richards	1976	1983	6.5
Waugh, SR	1995	2001	5.5
Barrington	1963	1968	5.3
Weekes	1953	1957	4.3
May	1955	1959	4
Hutton	1950	1954	3.8
Kallis	2005	2008	3.1
Nourse	1949	1951	2.4
Gavaskar	1978	1981	2.2
Walcott	1955	1957	2.2
Ponting	2006	2008	1.8
Hayden	2002	2004	1.5
Chanderpaul	2008	2009	1
Hussey	2007	2008	1
Compton	1948	1949	1
Walters	1969	1970	1
Sangakkara	2007	2008	0.8
Pietersen	2006	2007	0.8
Flower	2001	2002	0.3

 

[Jager]

Thanks heaps- I will use these dates on Statsguru when I have time and find out more about them.

 

[weldone]

- Standardised Runs

			Start Peak	End Peak	St Runs	St Average

DG Bradman (Aus)	13 Jun 1930	18 Aug 1934	3371.5	112.38
CL Walcott (WI)		8 Feb 1952	20 Jun 1957	2575.8	85.86
SM Gavaskar (Ind)	28 Jan 1978	21 Nov 1979	2500.9	83.36
SR Waugh (Aus)		1 Jul 1993	22 Nov 1996	2499.0	83.30
IVA Richards (WI)	23 Jan 1976	26 Jan 1980	2410.1	80.34
GS Sobers (WI)		22 Aug 1957	13 Jan 1961	2403.4	80.11
RT Ponting (Aus)	8 Mar 2002	2 Jan 2004	2346.9	78.23
A Flower (Zim)		29 Oct 1999	27 Dec 2001	2322.8	77.43
ED Weekes (WI)		15 Feb 1952	30 May 1957	2318.1	77.27
L Hutton (Eng)		23 Jul 1949	25 Jun 1953	2305.0	76.83
PA de Silva (SL)	19 Apr 1997	26 Feb 2000	2296.6	76.55
SR Tendulkar (Ind)	6 Mar 1997	29 Oct 1999	2287.6	76.25
Mohammad Yousuf (Pak)	20 Nov 2005	4 Jul 2009	2282.9	76.10
GA Headley (WI)		11 Jan 1930	22 Jul 1939	2280.9	76.03
JH Kallis (SA)		12 Dec 2003	29 Apr 2005	2214.8	73.83
R Dravid (Ind)		2 May 2002	13 Apr 2004	2212.9	73.76
RN Harvey (Aus)		9 Jan 1953	7 Jun 1956	2207.1	73.57
BC Lara (WI)		6 Apr 2001	4 Nov 2003	2206.2	73.54
DCS Compton (Eng)	31 Jan 1947	11 Jun 1949	2192.9	73.10
JB Hobbs (Eng)		11 Mar 1910	14 Jan 1921	2181.6	72.72
GR Viswanath (Ind)	30 Dec 1977	26 Oct 1979	2158.4	71.95
S Chanderpaul (WI)	2 Jun 2006	6 Mar 2009	2157.7	71.92
VS Hazare (Ind)		12 Dec 1947	21 Jan 1953	2155.5	71.85
GA Gooch (Eng)		23 Mar 1990	22 Aug 1991	2153.8	71.79
ML Hayden (Aus)		14 Dec 2001	9 Oct 2003	2130.9	71.03
KC Sangakkara (SL)	22 Jul 2005	1 Dec 2007	2127.5	70.92
AR Border (Aus)		26 Dec 1982	15 Aug 1985	2106.4	70.21
PBH May (Eng)		23 Jun 1955	24 Jul 1958	2101.2	70.04
DB Vengsarkar (Ind)	28 Nov 1984	12 Nov 1988	2066.7	68.89
KF Barrington (Eng)	25 Jan 1963	27 May 1965	2052.8	68.43
DPMD Jayawardene (SL)	27 Jul 2006	21 Feb 2009	2048.0	68.27
C Hill (Aus)		1 Jan 1898	11 Oct 1902	2029.0	67.63
WR Hammond (Eng)	13 Jul 1935	3 Mar 1939	2024.9	67.50
GS Chappell (Aus)	1 Mar 1974	1 Jan 1977	2016.2	67.21
RB Simpson (Aus)	23 Jul 1964	20 Jan 1967	2010.3	67.01
Javed Miandad (Pak)	9 Oct 1976	16 Dec 1979	2004.0	66.80
RG Pollock (SA)		10 Jan 1964	5 Feb 1970	1987.2	66.24
V Sehwag (Ind)		12 Dec 2003	20 Sep 2005	1980.1	66.00
AC Gilchrist (Aus)	5 Jul 2001	17 Oct 2003	1954.6	65.15
Younis Khan (Pak)	16 Dec 2004	4 Aug 2006	1947.4	64.91
MEK Hussey (Aus)	17 Nov 2005	30 May 2008	1942.2	64.74
MP Vaughan (Eng)	11 Dec 2001	24 Jul 2003	1933.2	64.44
AB de Villiers (SA)	18 Jul 2008	16 Dec 2010	1931.5	64.38
AD Nourse (SA)		20 Jan 1939	7 Jun 1951	1930.3	64.34
TT Samaraweera (SL)	22 Mar 2008	26 May 2011	1926.6	64.22
KD Walters (Aus)	10 Dec 1965	24 Dec 1969	1918.8	63.96
Inzamam-ul-Haq (Pak)	12 Mar 1999	31 May 2001	1915.3	63.84
JC Adams (WI)		18 Apr 1992	29 Nov 1996	1907.4	63.58
H Sutcliffe (Eng)	30 Nov 1928	23 Feb 1933	1906.5	63.55
GA Faulkner (SA)	6 Mar 1906	27 May 1912	1887.4	62.91
G Gambhir (Ind)		23 Jul 2008	14 Feb 2010	1883.8	62.79
SJ McCabe (Aus)		10 Feb 1933	24 Jun 1938	1880.9	62.70
Hanif Mohammad (Pak)	17 Jan 1958	31 May 1962	1877.4	62.58
FMM Worrell (WI)	8 Jun 1950	17 Mar 1954	1874.2	62.47
CH Lloyd (WI)		6 Apr 1973	26 Dec 1975	1866.4	62.21
DL Amiss (Eng)		2 Mar 1973	22 Aug 1974	1859.8	61.99
HH Gibbs (SA)		15 Mar 2002	18 Mar 2004	1847.7	61.59
Saleem Malik (Pak)	15 Nov 1990	19 Jan 1995	1831.4	61.05
AN Cook (Eng)		16 Dec 2009	16 Jun 2011	1828.1	60.94
CG Macartney (Aus)	7 Jan 1911	14 Aug 1926	1826.1	60.87
RA Smith (Eng)		22 Jun 1989	8 Aug 1991	1814.1	60.47
JH Edrich (Eng)		11 Jul 1968	25 Feb 1971	1812.7	60.42
MJ Clarke (Aus)		28 Nov 2008	13 Jul 2010	1810.7	60.36
MD Crowe (NZ)		8 Nov 1985	24 Feb 1989	1808.3	60.28
DJ Cullinan (SA)	27 Feb 1999	6 Apr 2001	1805.5	60.18
VVS Laxman (Ind)	11 Apr 2008	12 Nov 2010	1801.2	60.04
G Boycott (Eng)		21 Jun 1973	10 Aug 1978	1801.0	60.03
CG Greenidge (WI)	17 Jun 1976	29 Feb 1980	1800.5	60.02

Thanks, more so for adding the dates...

 

[Prince EWS]

Thanks, more so for adding the dates...

I've thought about incorporating that particular chart into my rankings, however it definitely seems to favour those who play more Tests per year.

 

[chasingthedon]

Rob, what are you taking as the peak there, is it the 30 innings you did earlier?

Also, can you point to an explanation of how you derive standardized averages?

Cheers.

 

[Prince EWS]

Rob, what are you taking as the peak there, is it the 30 innings you did earlier?

Also, can you point to an explanation of how you derive standardized averages?

Cheers.

That post weldone quoted was a reply to his question asking for 30 dismissal peaks. For example - 20, 15*, 14, 12*, 89 would be five innings but only three dismissals.

Re: your second question, I'll try and find a post in the standardised averages thread that answers that properly for you.

 

[weldone]

I've thought about incorporating that particular chart into my rankings, however it definitely seems to favour those who play more Tests per year.

I wouldn't suggest doing that. Peak rating is peak rating, and career rating is career rating. They should be kept separate. Awarding points for good peak ratings is equivalent to penalising people for being consistent.

But then, it's your ranking obv...

 

[silentstriker]

Well on a more basic level - over a career, I'm not sure I would WANT my player to have peaks and period of bad form. Obviously some of that is inevitable but I'd take a consistent player with an average of 50 over someone who may average higher for a time but then also has long periods where he dips a lot.

Personal preference of course.

 

[Prince EWS]

I wouldn't suggest doing that. Peak rating is peak rating, and career rating is career rating. They should be kept separate. Awarding points for good peak ratings is equivalent to penalising people for being consistent.

But then, it's your ranking obv...

Yeah, it's something I'd be more inclined to do if I wanted to prove I could make a statistical model that closely aligned with general public opinion. It's not something I personally value very much.

 

[weldone]

Yeah, it's something I'd be more inclined to do if I wanted to prove I could make a statistical model that closely aligned with general public opinion. It's not something I personally value very much.

Hmmm, I understand.