*Unofficial* New Zealand Black Caps Thread

[Hurricane]

Buchanan is a clown - if it meant getting rid of him to keep Wright it should have been done.

Wright really improved them as a Test side; Buchanan is probably out the back trying to teach Vettori how to bowl right arm meds.

Poor result for NZ cricket.

Seemed like a clear choice between them and they opted for Buchanan. I don't think they really could have fired him, Buchanan, just because Wright said he had to go. That would have been just bizarre.

 

[Bahnz]

Good progress on the test match front was what mattered.

Did Wright really deliver that though? If you remove the two tests against Zimbabwe, the story goes

Game 1: Smashed by Pakistan
Game 2: Draw with Pakistan, but only because they already had a 1-0 lead and didn't want to risk things by chasing down an easily gettable target.

Game 3: Smashed by Australia
Game 4: Narrow win against Australia (against a weakened side in foreign conditions, though still undeniably awesome)

Game 5: Saved by rain against SA
Game 6: Smashed by SA
Game 7: Saved by rain and Kane against SA

Yes, it's not really his fault, as he's only been in charge for a year, but I'm really not sure that much progress has been made. The top order is as much of a mess as it has ever been (with the strange insistence on batting McCullum at 3, Ryder getting the boot and Williamson's shuffling up and down the order) and it's still too early to make any firm judgements about any of the new crop of bowlers.

 

[Hurricane]

Game 5: Saved by rain against SA
Game 6: Smashed by SA
Game 7: Saved by rain and Kane against SA
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That win against Aussie was pure blood and guts from the batsman to put us into a position where we could win. He had to be a part of that.

With those draws against SA at least we didn't get smashed in 3 days - that bowling attack was to die for that SA had. I am taking a rain affected draw as a plus from the tour.

Also what are your views on wagner?

 

[Bahnz]

That win against Aussie was pure blood and guts from the batsman to put us into a position where we could win. He had to be a part of that.

With those draws against SA at least we didn't get smashed in 3 days - that bowling attack was to die for that SA had. I am taking a rain affected draw as a plus from the tour.

Also what are your views on wagner?

He's a useless ****.

 

[SteveNZ]

Buchanan is a clown - if it meant getting rid of him to keep Wright it should have been done.

Wright really improved them as a Test side; Buchanan is probably out the back trying to teach Vettori how to bowl right arm meds.

Poor result for NZ cricket.

I would say getting rid of Buchanan would have been a very expensive exercise. Signed on until 2015 on some pretty big bucks. Doesn't make it right, just saying. Unfortunately for the new CEO, that's a Vaughan appointment.

 

[straw man]

^&*#%$^#&%#&$&%^*%$!!!!

So what was worse? Years of stability (mostly being piss-poor) under the infuriating John Bracewell or a the more recent procession of coaches hired then fired by an organisation that is clearly a total mess?

I've never liked the 'blame Justin Vaughan for everything' approach we get in the media sometimes however this (giving Buchanan a 4 year contract) and the Bond disaster are two instances where he is clearly at fault. What a nitwit.

 

[straw man]

benchmark00 and I will be running as a joint ticket

Assuming spikemark00 is a couple of monkey hairs above the bottom of the barrel, you're a shoe-in

 

[SteveNZ]

^&*#%$^#&%#&$&%^*%$!!!!

So what was worse? Years of stability (mostly being piss-poor) under the infuriating John Bracewell or a the more recent procession of coaches hired then fired by an organisation that is clearly a total mess?

I've never liked the 'blame Justin Vaughan for everything' approach we get in the media sometimes however this (giving Buchanan a 4 year contract) and the Bond disaster are two instances where he is clearly at fault. What a nitwit.

Trust me, it isn't just a media thing to blame Justin Vaughan. His reign of terror set us back in plenty of areas.

 

[Mike5181]

I almost forgot Shane Bond lost a year and a half of his career because of that whole ICL thing. He probably could've been rated a lot higher if he played half a dozen more tests and 10-15 more ODIs.

 

[BackFootPunch]

Who'll be the next coach?

Heard a few names mentioned, pretty much all the current domestic coaches with the exception of Hunt and Johnson. Not likely to be Mike Hesson either.

Looking overseas is a good option I think. Rixon obviously has support. Tom Moody doesn't have an international gig.

My suggestion? Let's poach Darren Lehmann. Have a feeling he'd do a fantastic job.

 

[Bahnz]

I almost forgot Shane Bond lost a year and a half of his career because of that whole ICL thing. He probably could've been rated a lot higher if he played half a dozen more tests and 10-15 more ODIs.

Tbf, he probably would've spent most of that period on the sidelines due to injury. I think he might even have said that he was seriously considering retiring from tests before he got banned.

 

[Mike5181]

Deccan Chargers aren't exactly going well in the IPL though.

Bradburn would be up there you'd think.

 

[vic_orthdox]

I would say getting rid of Buchanan would have been a very expensive exercise. Signed on until 2015 on some pretty big bucks. Doesn't make it right, just saying. Unfortunately for the new CEO, that's a Vaughan appointment.

Yup, that'd be a pretty big issue. Very surprising to make such a long term appointment.

 

[Zinzan]

Did Wright really deliver that though? If you remove the two tests against Zimbabwe, the story goes

Game 1: Smashed by Pakistan
Game 2: Draw with Pakistan, but only because they already had a 1-0 lead and didn't want to risk things by chasing down an easily gettable target.

Game 3: Smashed by Australia
Game 4: Narrow win against Australia (against a weakened side in foreign conditions, though still undeniably awesome)

Game 5: Saved by rain against SA
Game 6: Smashed by SA
Game 7: Saved by rain and Kane against SA

Yes, it's not really his fault, as he's only been in charge for a year, but I'm really not sure that much progress has been made. The top order is as much of a mess as it has ever been (with the strange insistence on batting McCullum at 3, Ryder getting the boot and Williamson's shuffling up and down the order) and it's still too early to make any firm judgements about any of the new crop of bowlers.

Agree, that Hobart victory kind of flatters Wright. still disappointing news overall in terms of continuity.

 

[Zinzan]

Fleming imo.

He'd be an awesome choice, although like Wright I can't for a moment imagine he'd want to be the tight fist of Buchanan either.

 

[SteveNZ]

Yup, that'd be a pretty big issue. Very surprising to make such a long term appointment.

I was thinking this in the car the other day. It would almost be without precedent to appoint someone to this sort of length, in this sort of role I would have thought. Especially in their first term in an organisation.

I can imagine the way it played out - Buchanan wouldn't budge on less than four years and some fair coin, and Vaughan bowed to him.

And as for Fleming and the NZ coaching role, he'll never take it. Far too much demand time-wise with Future Tours programme - it's basically wall-to-wall touring and he has a young family. Plus he makes a nice wack, thank you very much, thru IPL, managing players, business interests etc.

 

[Hurricane]

Read this

NZC board's lack of experience exposed | Stuff.co.nz

 

[Hurricane]

Also according to the stuff articles - Siddons has the inside running as being a person who can work with Buchannan

 

[Andre]

My suggestion? Let's poach Darren Lehmann. Have a feeling he'd do a fantastic job.

Na same ideals as John Wright. Wouldn't work with Buchanan.

 

[Kippax]

Kane Williamson, 25 and 128 vs. Derbyshire, May 2012 - YouTube

Andre Adams, 7/32 vs. Lancashire, 2-3 May 2012 - YouTube

'Ice Odi' signed up to YT to say thanks for the Quad Series wickets compilation.

Still only "hopeful" of playing for the Aces, so Wgtn have until contracts day in August. Kippax with the masterstroke they hoped Leighton Burtt would be; getting the brooms out at the Basin for Sodhi and rampant Jeets in tandem.