*Official* English Football Season 2011-12

[Scaly piscine]

Hodgson would be lolbad. The guy simply doesn't have the resume to even be considered for one of the top jobs in football - even International football. If he wasn't English would he even be considered? From Capello to Hodgson - Lamborghini to Beetle.



With Liverpool it was almost all long ball. It was losing and playing **** to boot. And Woy's knowledge of foreign players really rests in Scandanavia. I recall some old articles going over his signings.

As someone who tends to appreciate England footballers and their team more than some Englanders I think this appointment would all but end their hopes.

Aha. Here's the unbiased view of Roy Hodgson we've all been waiting for...

 

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Aha. Here's the unbiased view of Roy Hodgson we've all been waiting for...

What would you expect? He was excruciatingly bad for Liverpool.

 

[Ikki]

Aha. Here's the unbiased view of Roy Hodgson we've all been waiting for...

No, and can you blame me? Roy goes down next to Souness as Liverpool's worst ever manager. Broke records for the worst losses and starts in 50 years. Nevermind the nonsense he used to come up with in the media. You want unbiased, just look at his record:

Roy Hodgson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You have to go back some 16-17 years to get a team where Roy led them to an above 50% winning ratio. He hovers between 35-42% which is rarely ever more than mid-to-lower half table stuff.

As I said, if England consider themselves in the top tier of International football, then signing Hodgson is the equivalent of Manchester United signing Sam Allardyce. Roy will make Capello's team look like the reincarnates of Total Football.

 

[grecian]

As I said, if England consider themselves in the top tier of International football, then signing Hodgson is the equivalent of Manchester United signing Sam Allardyce. Roy will make Capello's team look like the reincarnates of Total Football.

Meh, far from a little Englander, think Capello did a good job, getting this shower qualified. Yet no other big nation go after Top-class foreign managers. There's a reason for that, IMHO. Top managers earn there wages by working with the team, or working out strategies, 24/7, it really isn't what happens in International football, it's a waste of money.

Woy has been in English football for a fair few years now, he has managed Internationally, he'll do. Which let's face it, that is how we'll be deciding each position for the starting xi, in the Euros, oh limited by skill, age, technique, pace, but he'll do because there's no-one better.

 

[Uppercut]

Solid choice, I reckon. It definitely makes more sense than Harry, whose ability as a manager seems to come entirely from his ability to use the transfer market better than everyone else.

 

[Scaly piscine]

No, and can you blame me? Roy goes down next to Souness as Liverpool's worst ever manager. Broke records for the worst losses and starts in 50 years. Nevermind the nonsense he used to come up with in the media. You want unbiased, just look at his record:

Roy Hodgson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You have to go back some 16-17 years to get a team where Roy led them to an above 50% winning ratio. He hovers between 35-42% which is rarely ever more than mid-to-lower half table stuff.

As I said, if England consider themselves in the top tier of International football, then signing Hodgson is the equivalent of Manchester United signing Sam Allardyce. Roy will make Capello's team look like the reincarnates of Total Football.

The average at the bottom conveniently says 43%. Which represents about 15 wins out of 35, which would get you 7th in the Premiership - comfortably above Everton and Liverpool in the table. Not that it particularly matters anyway because it depends heavily on the clubs you're managing.

 

[sledger]

Solid choice, I reckon. It definitely makes more sense than Harry, whose ability as a manager seems to come entirely from his ability to buy over-priced attacking midfielders/strikers, rotate them to death, get sick of them, put them in the reserves, sell them off and repeat the process afresh every 6 months.

Fixed.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Solid choice, I reckon. It definitely makes more sense than Harry, whose ability as a manager seems to come entirely from his ability to use the transfer market better than everyone else.

Yea. I reckon the thinking would be Hodgson til the 2014 World Cup and then hopefully by then there'll be a younger more long-term option (Pardew or whoever). It also allows them to plan things out a bit more as I can't see Hodgson going beyond that World Cup so they'll definitely want someone in mind for late 2014 whatever happens. This would perhaps make it easier/cheaper to hire the manager they want.

 

[cpr]

Hodgson would be lolbad. The guy simply doesn't have the resume to even be considered for one of the top jobs in football - even International football. If he wasn't English would he even be considered? From Capello to Hodgson - Lamborghini to Beetle.

4 Titles in Sweden (first 2 with very unfancied team), took Switzerland to their first World Cup in 30 years (and 3rd in the FIFA rankings). Rebuilt a struggling Inter side and got them to the UEFA cup final, dragged Blackburn back out of the mire (admittedly it went wrong 2nd season). Took a struggling Copehagen to the league title, took Fulham and WBA to their highest league positions in decades, plus the UEFA cup final with the former.....


Awful resume there.

With Liverpool it was almost all long ball. It was losing and playing **** to boot. And Woy's knowledge of foreign players really rests in Scandanavia. I recall some old articles going over his signings.

As someone who tends to appreciate England footballers and their team more than some Englanders I think this appointment would all but end their hopes.

TBH, he could've tried any tactics with Liverpool, the players just didn't want him, and had the most embarrasing hissy fit of any team i've ever seen. The players were disgraceful under Hodgson, just like they had been at the end of Benitez. Supposed professionals barely turning up. I've no love for Liverpool really, but the attitude of your squad at that time was shocking.

Hodgsons record immediately before and after should be enough for most reasonable people to suggest the Liverpool debacle wasn't all down to him being inept.

 

[Neil Pickup]

Just for the record, Kenny "The Messiah" Dalglish's win percentage in the Premiership this season:

37.14%

 

[sledger]

Yes, I'm glad someone brought that up.

 

[Tom Halsey]

Neither Woy or Redknapp would have been good choices. That said, yes, Woy >>>>>>>>>>>> "Kiing" Kenny.

 

[Ikki]

Meh, far from a little Englander, think Capello did a good job, getting this shower qualified. Yet no other big nation go after Top-class foreign managers. There's a reason for that, IMHO. Top managers earn there wages by working with the team, or working out strategies, 24/7, it really isn't what happens in International football, it's a waste of money.

That tends to be because the top footballing nations tend to have top coaches.

Woy has been in English football for a fair few years now, he has managed Internationally, he'll do. Which let's face it, that is how we'll be deciding each position for the starting xi, in the Euros, oh limited by skill, age, technique, pace, but he'll do because there's no-one better.

Woy as a club coach is mediocre, nothing more. At the Euros you never know. It's really only a handful of matches you need to perform and I think some of the players knowing it is their last time round will give their all. I just think they could have given themselves a far better shot at it.

The average at the bottom conveniently says 43%. Which represents about 15 wins out of 35, which would get you 7th in the Premiership - comfortably above Everton and Liverpool in the table. Not that it particularly matters anyway because it depends heavily on the clubs you're managing.

You seem to conveniently leave out that the places he averages above 40%, to make the extrapolation you're doing, were in Scandanavia/Switzerland and more than a decade ago.

4 Titles in Sweden (first 2 with very unfancied team), took Switzerland to their first World Cup in 30 years (and 3rd in the FIFA rankings). Rebuilt a struggling Inter side and got them to the UEFA cup final, dragged Blackburn back out of the mire (admittedly it went wrong 2nd season). Took a struggling Copehagen to the league title, took Fulham and WBA to their highest league positions in decades, plus the UEFA cup final with the former.....


Awful resume there.

Do we compare it to Capello's resume for a better perspective? Woy's career isn't a fantastic one, no matter how many caveats you put on it, for someone taking over a team like England. Or do I overrate England?

TBH, he could've tried any tactics with Liverpool, the players just didn't want him, and had the most embarrasing hissy fit of any team i've ever seen. The players were disgraceful under Hodgson, just like they had been at the end of Benitez. Supposed professionals barely turning up. I've no love for Liverpool really, but the attitude of your squad at that time was shocking.

Hodgsons record immediately before and after should be enough for most reasonable people to suggest the Liverpool debacle wasn't all down to him being inept.

Actually, it's the other way round. A lot of the players wanted him; it is whispered that Gerrard and Carra were instrumental in bringing him. It's the fans that doubted him in the beginning and that of course turned to hate towards the end - rightfully so. He set up the team incredibly negatively, made excuses for his tactic and tended to compliment our rivals over our own. He had alienated himself by blaming the fans and he had no excuse for his downfall. Rafa left a team that was far better than the relegation battle Roy took the team to. The worse thing was you couldn't say we didn't deserve to be there. There were no missed chances or hitting the post or bad refereeing decisions. His firing came too late, even.

His record at top teams apart from a short spell at Inter show he isn't successful with teams that have any winning intentions. He is a mid-table manager, let's not kid ourselves.

 

[Ikki]

Just for the record, Kenny "The Messiah" Dalglish's win percentage in the Premiership this season:

37.14%

Which is why he IMO should be let go if there is any consistency. That said, his tenure has been far better and I can see some reason for keeping a cup double manager (if that happens). If Roy should be given leeway for taking over Rafa's "weak" team then Dalglish should be given some for Roy's further downgrade.

Anyway, Dalglish's CV as coach ****s on Roy's. Roy's notable achievement is nearly winning a UEFA cup.

 

[fredfertang]

Harry paying the price for his questionable fiscal policy, imo

 

[marc71178]

Was always against Harry so am happy with this news.

What I don't get is how there seems to be a lot of expectation in the media of a public backlash as the "people's choice" hasn't been appointed yet pretty much everyone I know didn't want him.

 

[Tom Halsey]

Which is why he IMO should be let go if there is any consistency. That said, his tenure has been far better and I can see some reason for keeping a cup double manager (if that happens). If Roy should be given leeway for taking over Rafa's "weak" team then Dalglish should be given some for Roy's further downgrade.

Anyway, Dalglish's CV as coach ****s on Roy's. Roy's notable achievement is nearly winning a UEFA cup.

Weren't you criticising Hodgson for doing well more than a decade ago? Make that two decades for Dalglish, who is so out of touch with the modern game it's laughable.

 

[GIMH]

The annoying thing if Redknapp doesn't get it is that the media will forever talk about the one that got away. Twenty years for now revisionist writers will speak of the Championships and World Cups we would have won but for not appointing him.

That is of course assuming we don't win them with Hodgson/somebody else.

I still think this 'must be an Englishman' policy is a farce FTR and we should be throwing everything at Mourinho and/or Guardiola.

 

[Nate]

Less than 12 hours to go!

 

[GIMH]

I don't agree with everything Ikki says on the Hodgson thing, but I don't see why people aren't holding his record at Liverpool against him a little more. To have Liverpool in the position he did is indefensible. I'm not sure whether he just didn't get the backing he felt he needed, certainly he made some questionable signings, but it is a worry that perhaps he couldn't handle some of the bigger egos that grace that squad. Good luck with England if that is indeed the case.

I don't want Redknapp or Hodgson but I actually do think Redknapp is probably the better manager of the two, although as Uppercut said, his main strength is in the transfer market.

Again, get a foreigner.