A Batsman's 'Prime'

[smash84]

Kallis, and Sobers the only ones making the lists who could bowl a fair bit

PEWS what would be Miller, Kapil, hadlee, and Botham's 50 innings peak as a batsman (if it isn't too much of a problem)?

 

[Cevno]

PEWS what would be Miller, Kapil, hadlee, and Botham's 50 innings peak as a batsman (if it isn't too much of a problem)?

No Imran ?

 

[Jager]

No Imran ?

He's already made an appearance in at least one of the lists (averaging 53 or so!)

 

[smash84]

No Imran ?

I had him in at first but had to edit my post because of what Jager is saying

He's already made an appearance in at least one of the lists (averaging 53 or so!)

 

[stephen]

What I really want is to find a valid batting statistic over a statistically meaningful number of tests that places Bradman not at the top. I found it hilarious that Bradman's standardised average was even further apart across the 80 test sample than his regular average. This suggests an even wider gap between him and others than regular stats suggest. Phenomenal.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Fun fact - during Kallis' 50-innings peak of 2001-2004 where he averaged 81, he only scored the 6th most runs in the world. One of the people who outscored him during this period was Vaughan, who only averaged 49 to do so.

Yup.

Viv with the second most runs within 40 and 50 innings, by the looks of things? Sanga the most over 80.

After Bradman, of course.

 

[Spikey]

Fun fact - during Kallis' 50-innings peak of 2001-2004 where he averaged 81, he only scored the 6th most runs in the world. One of the people who outscored him during this period was Vaughan, who only averaged 49 to do so.

now let's take a look at their bowling figures

hey PEWS can you do a standardised thingy of Sanga when he doesn't keep? obviously we know he averages 70 or whatever but you know, how much does he really average when he doesn't keep

 

[Prince EWS]

Kallis, and Sobers the only ones making the lists who could bowl a fair bit

PEWS what would be Miller, Kapil, hadlee, and Botham's 50 innings peak as a batsman (if it isn't too much of a problem)?

- Real runs

			Start Peak	End Peak	Runs	Average
			
IT Botham (Eng)		16 Jul 1981	14 Jun 1984	2208	45.06
KR Miller (Aus)		29 Nov 1946	24 Dec 1952	1800	40.91
Sir RJ Hadlee (NZ)	11 Mar 1983	12 Feb 1988	1487	36.27
N Kapil Dev (Ind)	24 Nov 1983	7 Apr 1989	1643	35.72

- Standardised runs

			Start Peak	End Peak	St Runs	St Average
			
IT Botham (Eng)		13 Aug 1981	12 Jul 1984	2239.6	44.79
KR Miller (Aus)		22 Dec 1950	12 Jul 1956	1985.6	41.37
N Kapil Dev (Ind)	12 Jan 1979	8 Jul 1982	1544.0	35.09
Sir RJ Hadlee (NZ)	11 Mar 1983	12 Feb 1988	1419.4	34.62

 

[Jager]

Nice to see my all-time favourite player getting a little bit of a bump. Miller bats at 5 in my ATG side, so having his excellence reinforced sits well with me

 

[smash84]

Milller and Botham pretty close during their peaks

 

[Jager]

Milller and Botham pretty close during their peaks

Agreed, but Miller was man-pretty and not English... therefore I have my choice

 

[smash84]

 

[marc71178]

Milller and Botham pretty close during their peaks

And Botham better than Imran FTR.

Unsure why Hadlee is recognised as a knight of the realm by PEWS but Beefy isn't.

 

[Prince EWS]

And Botham better than Imran FTR.

Unsure why Hadlee is recognised as a knight of the realm by PEWS but Beefy isn't.

Not big on peaks myself.

 

[Spikey]

now let's take a look at their bowling figures

hey PEWS can you do a standardised thingy of Sanga when he doesn't keep? obviously we know he averages 70 or whatever but you know, how much does he really average when he doesn't keep

that's it PEWS drop the gloves.

 

[smash84]

And Botham better than Imran FTR.

 

[Jager]

And Botham better than Imran FTR.

I can only assume you're talking about their batting only during their respective primes?

 

[Jono]

And Botham better than Imran FTR.

Unsure why Hadlee is recognised as a knight of the realm by PEWS but Beefy isn't.

Not big on peaks myself.

Yep, and has stressed this before countless times.

Knowing Prince's ideology of judging cricketers (and its impossible not to know his if you post in Cricket Chat at all, since its in your face all the time, wac) Botham is one of the cricketers I'd imagine he would not rate too highly at all.

 

[Burgey]

Yadda yadda Imran

Yadda yadda Kallis

 

[Jono]

Yadda yadda Imran

Yadda yadda Kallis

Afternoon nap time for the old **** obviously.