Why can't India produce great fast bowlers like Pakistan?

[Zinzan]

no....I think Waqar is shorter than 6 IIRC

Every source I found on online has him listed at 1.83 metres (or exactly 6 foot), so if he is indeed under 6, it must be by a microscopic amount.

 

[silentstriker]

I'm sure there are studies linking meat consumption to more aggressive behaviors. Which has obvious repercussions for fast bowling.

Also, someone mentioned the non-veg eating population of India being more than the entire populations of a lot of countries....meat isn't a daily staple for a vast majority of Indians. It's more a feast to be enjoyed on maybe 3-4 days in a week. Besides, traditional Indian cooking deprives foods of their nutrients through excessive exposure to heat.

Meh, if you're talking about putting on lean muscle mass, I think there are plenty of ways to do that these days without having to eat a lot of meat.

 

[Arjun]

What about the bowling action? Definitely, body build and strength can help fast bowlers sustain their game over time, but the action is what makes them faster. Most Indian pacers don't have a very smooth action, and it's not surprising when so many of them lose pace or get injured. If some expert can analyse each bowler's action and help smooth it out, rather than overcoach, like it happened under Greg Chappell, the bowlers will benefit. There's definitely something Varun Aaron and Umesh Yadav are doing now that others may have got wrong- and neither are powerfully built.

 

[smash84]

what exactly do you mean by a smooth action?

None of the Pakistan pacers had a smooth action in the classical sense (i.e. like McGrath or Hadlee)

 

[Migara]

Razzaq, Rana Naved, Mohammad Akram, Mohammad zahid, are some I can remeber of classic actions. and last two were probably quicker than anyone to hold a cricket ball.

 

[smash84]

hmmm yeah.....I was actually thinking of Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib, and Imran actually (the successful ones)

 

[ankitj]

Ishant is winning the poll against Sami on the other thread. I don't see the point of this thread tbh.

 

[Agent Nationaux]

If only Indian and Pakistani bowling was judged on the performances of Ishant and Sami.

 

[Burgey]

Meh, if you're talking about putting on lean muscle mass, I think there are plenty of ways to do that these days without having to eat a lot of meat.

Need to convert some of those 800 million Indian meat eaters from batsmen to bowlers mate.

Pendle Hill Wholesale Butchers are the schizz btw. Someone should have put the lads onto the joint when they were touring here.

 

[Arjun]

what exactly do you mean by a smooth action?

None of the Pakistan pacers had a smooth action in the classical sense (i.e. like McGrath or Hadlee)

This is something sports scientists can answer best. A clean action that's easy on the body will help generate more pace. Some bowlers have an arms-and-legs-all-over action which will hurt. Srinath may not be mentioned as one of the greatest fast bowlers ever, but he had a good action back then, which generated a lot of pace, when he was a complete vegetarian. After he took to meat, he slowed down. Sometimes, too much muscle will come in the way of generating express pace. I wouldn't be surprised if Irfan Pathan and Munaf Patel bowl with mixed-up actions that reduce their pace.

Munaf, a specialist bowler, having the keeper stand up to him, was one of the worst lows of this IPL.

 

[Manee]

Munaf, a specialist bowler, having the keeper stand up to him, was one of the worst lows of this IPL.

Craig McMillian STUMPED- Glenn McGrath bowling..... - YouTube

Sorry mate, but that post was nonsense; Munaf has bowled well in this IPL.

 

[Arjun]

Craig McMillian STUMPED- Glenn McGrath bowling..... - YouTube

Sorry mate, but that post was nonsense; Munaf has bowled well in this IPL.

When you finally had someone who could bowl with explosive pace for India, reduced to something some batsmen do as a bonus, it's a tragedy of sorts. Like you've accepted that India can't produce genuine fast bowlers. Any specialist seamer in this state should go back and crank up some serious pace, before being a national prospect again.

 

[Manee]

When you finally had someone who could bowl with explosive pace for India, reduced to something some batsmen do as a bonus, it's a tragedy of sorts. Like you've accepted that India can't produce genuine fast bowlers. Any specialist seamer in this state should go back and crank up some serious pace, before being a national prospect again.

You must reread that opening sentence to see how absurd it sounds. What batsman can hold the purple cap in the IPL and be second all time wicket taker?! What you've done is equated bowling speed with bowling ability which is obviously wrong.

Munaf never had the body to be a quick bowler. He broke down every so often. As a medium pacer, he helped win us the World Cup and has been one of the best bowlers in IPL history and has strung together good periods of fitness. I think he will be crucial to the World T20 campaign. For Test cricket, he needs to bowl quicker, but until we see him in a Test, we cannot say that he is unable to do that.

 

[salman85]

I get what Arjun is saying.Having the keeper stand up to a pacer is one of the most repulsive sights in Cricket as far as i'm concerned.While Munaf may not be express,i'd be very surprised if having the keeper stand up to you does not effect a fast bowler's confidence.

 

[smash84]

emmm....why would it affect your confidence? Boucher used to stand up to Pollock many times in ODIs

 

[Pup Clarke]

emmm....why would it affect your confidence?

Because bowlers are human beings who have ego's?

 

[Arachnodouche]

This is something sports scientists can answer best. A clean action that's easy on the body will help generate more pace. Some bowlers have an arms-and-legs-all-over action which will hurt. Srinath may not be mentioned as one of the greatest fast bowlers ever, but he had a good action back then, which generated a lot of pace, when he was a complete vegetarian. After he took to meat, he slowed down. Sometimes, too much muscle will come in the way of generating express pace. I wouldn't be surprised if Irfan Pathan and Munaf Patel bowl with mixed-up actions that reduce their pace.

Munaf, a specialist bowler, having the keeper stand up to him, was one of the worst lows of this IPL.

Srinath picked up MORE speed after he grooved his action and spent that season in county. His action was all over the shop in those early days. Your body needs more protein (and meat is just a quicker way of getting you there than consuming a ton of non-meat alternatives) and more core, lower body work when you're involved in explosive, fast twitch fiber work like quick bowling. Looking at some of our bowlers' lower trunks, it isn't surprising they can't generate pace for sustained amounts of time. You look at a Dale Steyn or a Mitchell Johnson, as crap as he can be, and the one thing you can count on is that they'll be able to put out good pace much beyond their first season in international cricket, something that never happens with our quickies. Fast bowling is taxing work and you have to seek recourse to other ancillary work after losing your cherry,

 

[Jono]

There's like 600 million Indians who aren't. There are more non vegetarians in India than all of the cricket playing countries put together.

Lol.

 

[vijayjd]

LOL.. thats so true

 

[vijayjd]

There have been new studies that point to a significant Bengali contribution to the origins of the Sinhalese.

With due respect but Sri Lanka is not only Sinhalse. They have Sri lankan Tamils,Moors,Burghers too.