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***Official*** Australia in the West Indies 2012

adub

adub

International Captain
I agree it's a damn hard call (nice change). Who would have thought back in October that Siddle and Hilf would be undroppable?

I think if Watto's able to bowl then I'd play Pattinson and hold Harris in reserve, but I admit it would be easy to go the other way also.
 
Ruckus

Ruckus

International Captain
Spikey said:
ok.

who do you drop
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Well if they actually decide to go with both Bear and Lyon and I'm not sure I would pick Harris, because of the ever-present injury concerns. But if they go with only one spinner, then I'd pick Harris, Siddle and Pattinson. Tough on Hilf (and it sounds like he bowled pretty well in the practice match so far), but any of those bowlers could be rotated out for Hilf in the next match anyway depending on how they fare. That's the good thing about our bowling attack atm...we have a good set of 4 core fast bowlers, without much separating any of them. Although, that being said, I definitely think Harris will be the standout on these wickets, which are probably likely to be quite similar to the ones he excelled on in SL.
 
NUFAN

NUFAN

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Harris is certainly one of the 3 pace bowlers most likely to take wickets in these conditions, but I really can't blame the selectors when the following lineup is named for the First Test:

1. Warner 2 Cowan 3 Watson 4 Ponting 5 Clarke 6 Hussey 7 Wade 8 Siddle 9 Pattinson 10 Hilfenhaus 11 Lyon. 12 Harris (although Forrest will do most of the fielding).
 
adub

adub

International Captain
NUFAN said:
Harris is certainly one of the 3 pace bowlers most likely to take wickets in these conditions, but I really can't blame the selectors when the following lineup is named for the First Test:

1. Warner 2 Cowan 3 Watson 4 Ponting 5 Clarke 6 Hussey 7 Wade 8 Siddle 9 Pattinson 10 Hilfenhaus 11 Lyon. 12 Harris (although Forrest will do most of the fielding).
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Yeah I reckon that is what the side will be, and the one I'd pick, but Harris/Pattinson is a coin toss. I'd lean to Pattinson mostly on the basis of wanting to get a lot of tests under his belt. As superb as Harris is, Pattinson showed enough this summer to warrant the opportunity. When he was pitching it up and getting it swinging it was just glorious to watch.
 
Ruckus

Ruckus

International Captain
adub said:
I agree it's a damn hard call (nice change). Who would have thought back in October that Siddle and Hilf would be undroppable?

I think if Watto's able to bowl then I'd play Pattinson and hold Harris in reserve, but I admit it would be easy to go the other way also.
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It is a pretty tricky situation we have going atm. On one hand you have Harris, who is the best bowler we have, but always has injury concerns and most likely only has a year or two left in him anyway. And on the other hand you have Pattinson, who is probably the least likely of the 4 fast bowlers to put up a reliable performance (still probably a bit hot or cold with him) but is very much the future of our bowling attack and needs as much experience as he can get. So what do you do? Do you go in with the simple mentality of just putting in the best available attack, in which case Harris is surely a part of that (and Pattinson could well be the one to miss out)? Or does Harris get a more backseat role, with selectors using him only as a substitution player if an injury occurs or someone needs resting etc?
 
uvelocity

uvelocity

International Coach
well it won't be the selection panel anyway will it, clarke, invers and someone else to pick the side innit?
 
adub

adub

International Captain
Ruckus said:
It is a pretty tricky situation we have going atm. On one hand you have Harris, who is the best bowler we have, but always has injury concerns and most likely only has a year or two left in him anyway. And on the other hand you have Pattinson, who is probably the least likely of the 4 fast bowlers to put up a reliable performance (still probably a bit hot or cold with him) but is very much the future of our bowling attack and needs as much experience as he can get. So what do you do? Do you go in with the simple mentality of just putting in the best available attack, in which case Harris is surely a part of that (and Pattinson could well be the one to miss out)? Or does Harris get a more backseat role, with selectors using him only as a substitution player if an injury occurs or someone needs resting etc?
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The super-sub role is the one I'd choose for Harris at this point. But I'll be just as happy if they play him.

All Hail King Billy!
 
Ruckus

Ruckus

International Captain
I'd probably get Harris playing the first and last test, giving him a rest for the second, and allowing whoever misses out to get a go. Think Pattinson should play at least two of the tests as well, with Siddle/Hilf being the ones rotated...he is a permanent member of the side now, so we have to give him us much experience as possible.
 
Spikey

Spikey

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on the other hand, e is a permanent member of the side now, he should earn the matches he gets. The injury came at a crappy time, but he's been pretty crappy since coming back.
 
Ruckus

Ruckus

International Captain
I don't think he would find it difficult returning a level somewhere near how he was bowling against India. He's been out for hardly any time at all. Apparently he has bowled pretty well in the warm up match too. Really don't think there is much between Siddle, Hilf and Pattinson and either one of them could get better returns on different days. For me, the fact Patto is one of the key parts of the future of this team gives him priority. Also think he has the potential to be far better than any of the aforementioned bowlers, and that can only be realised if he gets the experience. If Hilf or Siddle really were likely to bowl a good deal better than Patto, then of course they should get the nod ahead of him, but I don't see that as being the case. And when it comes down to it anyway, I'd be pretty confident any combination of our bowlers should be good enough to do the job.
 
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