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*Official* English Football Season 2011-12

sledger

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
Eds said:
Gerrard was right to do what he did though. The decision had been made as to who was going in goal, a manager on the pitch is never going to end well.

Carroll on the other hand...
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Approaching your boss in a menacing fashion and shouting at him is in almost every instance, or so I would suggest, inevitably not the right decision.
 
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Eds

Eds

International Debutant
sledger said:
Approaching your boss in a menacing fashion and shouting at him is in almost every instance, or so I would suggest, inevitably not the right decision.
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Yeah, fair point.

Meanwhile, am I the only one who finds Henderson body language hilarious in that GIF?
 
wpdavid

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
sledger said:
The long and short of it though, irrespective of whether he deserves it or not, is that if the players are behaving in this way, then they're doing so because they know they will be able to get away with it, and the finger of blame has to be pointed at Kenny for this. I agree, he shouldn't have to put up with this sort of behaviour, I don't think anyone should quite honestly. But the players are behaving like this, because they know they can. You never see Man Utd players (as an example behaving like this), and there's a very good reason for that. As soon as you let players run the show like this it's curtains, no wonder Liverpool are up **** creek.
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Yes, I'm sure that's 100% correct. It just saddens me to see it. As you say, it gives us a fair insight into why they've been so poor this season.
 
sledger

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
Eds said:
Yeah, fair point.

Meanwhile, am I the only one who finds Henderson body language hilarious in that GIF?
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Says it all tbh. Looks genuinely confused as to who is in charge. Sees Kenny get royally put in his place. Looks flabbergasted and waits for Kenny's reaction, which never comes. Then thinks "ah **** this then, will just plod through with the match".
 
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Pothas

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Anyway hope against hope that Blackburn somehow manage to complete the double over Man Utd. The title race is almost certainly but would be nice for United to at least stutter a little bit getting over the line.
 
wpdavid

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
Pothas said:
Anyway hope against hope that Blackburn somehow manage to complete the double over Man Utd. The title race is almost certainly but would be nice for United to at least stutter a little bit getting over the line.
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It would be nice not to see it sewn up before Easter. But even if Blackburn do surprise us tonight, City are so poor that they'll drop plenty more points anyway.
 
BoyBrumby

BoyBrumby

Englishman
I do wonder how long it'll be before The Kop starts to get a bit grumbly with King Kenny. Obviously he's got an ocean of goodwill built up, but it's patently obvious the game has rather passed him by in terms of transfers, tactics and (much as it pains me to label it a factor) media relations.

Seven defeats in eight league games is their worst run since 1953/54, or so I read in today's paper. Anyone but Dalglish would surely have had the arse by now.
 
wpdavid

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
Tom Halsey said:
Seems pretty relevant to me, I wouldn't be happy with my manager making a tit of himself either.
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There's a difference between not being happy about Dalglish being on the pitch and reacting in the way that Gerrard did. The rest of the players managed not to cross that particular line, afaics. But apparently there's a parallel universe where it's OK to respond to your boss like that. As for making a tit of himself, was he really?
 
wpdavid

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
BoyBrumby said:
I do wonder how long it'll be before The Kop starts to get a bit grumbly with King Kenny. Obviously he's got an ocean of goodwill built up, but it's patently obvious the game has rather passed him by in terms of transfers, tactics and (much as it pains me to label it a factor) media relations.

Seven defeats in eight league games is their worst run since 1953/54, or so I read in today's paper. Anyone but Dalglish would surely have had the arse by now.
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He's probably dead in the water, isn't he. Given that I agree with all of the above, they almost need not to win the FA Cup and risk being stuck with him next season.
 
Furball

Furball

Evil Scotsman
wpdavid said:
There's a difference between not being happy about Dalglish being on the pitch and reacting in the way that Gerrard did. The rest of the players managed not to cross that particular line, afaics. But apparently there's a parallel universe where it's OK to respond to your boss like that. As for making a tit of himself, was he really?
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He has a technical area he can stay within, there was absolutely no reason for him to be on the pitch. If he needs to get instructions across then get one of the players to come over to you.
 
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Tom Halsey

International Coach
wpdavid said:
There's a difference between not being happy about Dalglish being on the pitch and reacting in the way that Gerrard did. The rest of the players managed not to cross that particular line, afaics. But apparently there's a parallel universe where it's OK to respond to your boss like that. As for making a tit of himself, was he really?
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Boss or not shouldn't be relevant, he's not above reproach if he's doing something to directly jeopardise the side's chances (which he is; he's not allowed to leave his technical area I assume so he must have been risking disciplinary action, before you get to the messages it sends out).

As I heard Schmeichel say once, you can't talk politely and quietly on a football pitch because there's no time and primarily they won't hear you. Plus obviously it's very heat-of-the-moment stuff.
 
wpdavid

wpdavid

Hall of Fame Member
GingerFurball said:
He has a technical area he can stay within, there was absolutely no reason for him to be on the pitch. If he needs to get instructions across then get one of the players to come over to you.
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All true. Still doesn't equate 'making a tit' of himself. Far less justifying Gerrard's response.

Looks like it's agree to differ time.
 
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sledger

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
There's a difference between politeness and being outright disrespectful though in my mind. No idea what he said, but it's the way in which he said it which crosses the line for me. I appreciate there isn't always time/room to be particularly courteous, but it looks like Gerrard is approaching a referee to have a moan about a decision etc... Managers might not be beyond reproach, but you can't behave like that imo.
 
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