The great 1980s all rounders

[Burgey]

Fair enough, but Garner was better than both anyway.

 

[ankitj]

Haha, what a comment. McGrath has a comparable if not better record than both as a bowler and did it in what's regarded as a more batsman-friendly era.

WAC. Read before you reply

 

[Burgey]

WAC. Read before you reply

Try not to. You're a dribbler.

 

[nick-o]

I'd like the comments on this thread kept to the more respected posters, so please onl comment if you've made 1,000 or more posts on CW.

Cheers.

elitist crap

 

[benchmark00]

Try not to. You're a dribbler.

tbf, you are a ****.

 

[Burgey]

tbf, you are a ****.

That's a given.

 

[Burgey]

I'd like the comments on this thread kept to the more respected posters, so please onl comment if you've made 1,000 or more posts on CW.

Cheers.

elitist crap

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[fredfertang]

elitist crap

I've always thought there must be a touch of blue-blooded English heritage somewhere in Burgey's make-up

 

[benchmark00]

srsly though, can we have a few words on mushr00ms?

I'm lead to believe Tangy has plenty of experience dealing with/on mushr00ms.

 

[fredfertang]

srsly though, can we have a few words on mushr00ms?

I'm lead to believe Tangy has plenty of experience dealing with/on mushr00ms.

I do recall the first, and in fact only, occasion when I was given some magic mushrooms. I was warned about, and was quite impressed by, the hallucinogenic properties - but no ****er warned me about the laxative effect

 

[ankitj]

Try not to. You're a dribbler.

tbf, you are a ****.

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[benchmark00]

I do recall the first, and in fact only, occasion when I was given some magic mushrooms. I was warned about, and was quite impressed by, the hallucinogenic properties - but no ****er warned me about the laxative effect

I know plenty of blokes who would kill for regular bowel activity.

Burgey included.

 

[fredfertang]

I know plenty of blokes who would kill for regular bowel activity.

Burgey included.

Not when you're too ****ing spaced out to find the crapper

 

[zaremba]

Imran
Hadlee
Botham
Kapil

 

[benchmark00]

Not when you're too ****ing spaced out to find the crapper

Burgey normally just posts his **** on CW tbf.

 

[smash84]

 

[kyear2]

If you deem an allrounder as someone who does it with bat and ball at the same time then Botham wins hands down.

If you like to filter numbers then you pick Imran.

To an extent. yes. Of the four only Bothan excelled with both bat and ball at the same time. Career wise though have to be Imran.
Additionally though I always rate batting all rounders higher as they give you that all important 5th bowler to either spell your top 4 bowlers or pick up that crucial wicket or just keep things quiet. With a bowling all rounder your still left with 4 bowlers and a batsman who still bats in the lower order.

Finally find it strange that persons give Kapil a pass for having to bowl on Indian roads butthen say it wasnt that great an advantage for Indian batsmen. Cant have it both ways.

 

[ankitj]

I think this post belongs here better, hence reposting


Some stats to chew on. I looked at how often an all-rounder is 'useful' with the bat AND ball, and also how often he is useful with the bat OR the ball.

Useful with the bat = scores 80 or more runs in the match
Useful with the ball = takes 4 or more wkts in the match

I generally believe that each wicket is worth 20 runs (most wickets by a bowler ~800, most runs ~16000). So those cut offs are equally fair for batting and bowling all-rounders

When sorted by how often they are useful with both, this is how the top all rounders stack up:

				[B]80 runs [U]AND[/U] 4 wkts[/B]
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Player		Matches		#	%
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Sobers		93		15	16.1%
Miller		55		6	10.9%
Botham		102		11	10.8%
Hadlee		86		6	7.0%
Imran		88		4	4.5%
Kallis		152		5	3.3%
Dev		131		4	3.1%
Pollock		108		3	2.8%

Sobers, Miller and Botham top the table. Kallis, Dev and Pollock are bottom three.

Next when you look at how often they are useful with either, you get:

				[B]80 runs [U]OR[/U] 4 wkts[/B]
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Player		Matches		#	%
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Hadlee		86		62	72.1%
Imran		88		56	63.6%
Sobers		93		56	60.2%
Botham		102		58	56.9%
Pollock		108		61	56.5%
Kallis		152		76	50.0%
Dev		131		61	46.6%
Miller		55		25	45.5%

Hadlee, Imran and Sobers are at top! Kallis, Dev and Miller are at bottom.

Well, just tell us what we probably already know

 

[zaremba]

Sorry, just to be clear, my post count is over 8k, but well over 7k of them have been **** and a waste of time. Do I qualify for this thread? I had high hopes for the 2.0 that f_o_s has now closed.

 

[Burgey]

Sorry, just to be clear, my post count is over 8k, but well over 7k of them have been **** and a waste of time. Do I qualify for this thread? I had high hopes for the 2.0 that f_o_s has now closed.

Yes, yes. You're in!