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Yeah, agreed. Unbelievably good goal that.
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*Official* English Football Season 2011-12
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Furball
Evil Scotsman
Was pleasantly suprised not to see the flag go up, it's the sort of borderline call that go in favour of the defence 99% of the time.
GIMH
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Furball
Evil Scotsman
There's certainly a case for it being offside, but IMO you should be clearly offside for it to be given. All borderline calls should see the benefit of the doubt go to the attacker, playing offside isn't part of defending IMO.
Got to feel for de Gea, that is shocking defending by Rafael.
Neil Pickup
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Ridiculous free kick - not sure if it's the letter of the law that you must have both boots on to be part of the game, but either way Rafael should be shot for that non-attempt at covering defence.
Also, netball in the box is never intelligent.
Also, netball in the box is never intelligent.
Furball
Evil Scotsman
I'm almost certain it's dangerous play, punishable by an indirect free kick.
Furball
Evil Scotsman
Was texting my brother about Rafael's ****house defending so only got a glance, would like to see it again.
Neil Pickup
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From Corsham Referees:
Question 25a: A player accidentally loses his footwear and immediately scores a goal. Is this permitted?
Answer 25a: Reference: 'Additional Instructions and Guidelines for Referees' in the 2007/2008 Law book (page 66):
"If a player loses his footwear accidentally, and immediately plays the ball and/or scores a goal, there is no infringement and the goal is awarded because he lost his footwear by accident."
Accidents like this will happen in football. If the mislaying of a boot (or a shin pad) is accidental (i.e. the player did not commit an intentional breach of Law 4 (Players' Equipment) and there is no immediate danger to this player (or to any other player), the Referee can apply a reasonable amount of discretional time before deciding to stop play or not.* For example, so long as there is no hazard in the next few seconds (i.e. he does not attempt a dangerous play act by challenging an opponent), this player should be given the opportunity to take a shot on goal, or make a pass to a colleague.* *
Question 25b: If during a match, a player's boot comes off, and the player continues to play the ball (not just kicking it or just having a shot at goal) and therefore puts himself at risk of injury, what action should the Referee take?
Answer 25b:* The Referee has a duty of care towards the players, and must stop play if there is any danger to the player. This scenario is/was covered in separate parts of the 2007/2008 Laws of Associated Football.*
References: Additional Instructions and Guidelines for Referees in the 2007/2008 Law book (page 66):
"If a player loses his footwear accidentally, and immediately plays the ball and/or scores a goal, there is no infringement and the goal is awarded because he lost his footwear by accident."
It follows therefore, if the player continues to play on after immediately playing the ball, and the Referee believes that the misplaced boot poses a potential danger, he should stop play immediately .
Law 5, Powers and Duties of the Referee: "The Referee ensures that the players' equipment meets the requirements of Law 4".
Law 4, Players' Equipment: "A player must not use equipment or wear anything that is dangerous to himself or another player. The basic equipment of a player comprises of ..............footwear etc. The player leaves the field of play to correct his equipment. The player is only allowed to re-enter the field of play when the ball is out of play".*
Law 8 The Start and Restart of Play: Once play has been stopped, it should be restarted in accordance with Law 8.*
"A dropped ball is a way of restarting the match after a temporary stoppage that becomes necessary, while the ball is in play, for any reason not mentioned elsewhere in the Laws of the Game. The Referee drops the ball at the place where it was located when play was stopped".
The player has not committed any offence, hence the dropped ball restart. *
Further points to note: The player should not be allowed to continue indefinitely in a state of undress, as this is potentially dangerous to the player concerned. The Referee will have to make a judgment based on common sense, which will allow the game to flow if at all possible, but stop it immediately if there is any chance of potential danger to the player or to other players. The safety of players is paramount when making such decisions. In general, when a player needs to adjust his equipment, play need not be stopped. Referees will normally ask the player to adjust the defect whilst the game is continuing; there is no need for the player to leave the field of play to achieve this.* If the player has not yet adjusted his equipment, by the time that the ball next ceases to be in play, then he should be asked to leave the field of play to correct his equipment.*The player is only allowed to re-enter, after the Referee is satisfied that the defect has been corrected. Re-entry is only allowed when the ball is out of play.
(a) If the Referee needs to stop the game to issue a caution (for example, if the player refuses to adjust his equipment), then the match will be restarted with an indirect free kick from the place where the ball was located when play was stopped (see Law 4). By refusing to adjust his equipment, the player has committed the Law 12 caution offence of unsporting conduct in this example. Hence the indirect free kick restart.
(b) If play is stopped to issue a caution because the player disagrees with the Referee about the need to correct his equipment, then the match will be restarted with an indirect free kick from the place where the ball was located when play was stopped (see Law 4). By disagreeing with the Referee, the player has committed the Law 12 caution offence of dissent in this example. Hence the indirect free kick restart.
(c) If play is stopped because the Referee deems that the player who only has one boot on, has played in a dangerous manner by making an unprotected challenge to win the ball with an opponent, then play should be stopped; and restarted with an indirect free kick for dangerous play (in accordance with Law 12). In this example, it is the player with the missing boot that causes the dangerous play situation.
Also, the Premier League is ****.
Question 25a: A player accidentally loses his footwear and immediately scores a goal. Is this permitted?
Answer 25a: Reference: 'Additional Instructions and Guidelines for Referees' in the 2007/2008 Law book (page 66):
"If a player loses his footwear accidentally, and immediately plays the ball and/or scores a goal, there is no infringement and the goal is awarded because he lost his footwear by accident."
Accidents like this will happen in football. If the mislaying of a boot (or a shin pad) is accidental (i.e. the player did not commit an intentional breach of Law 4 (Players' Equipment) and there is no immediate danger to this player (or to any other player), the Referee can apply a reasonable amount of discretional time before deciding to stop play or not.* For example, so long as there is no hazard in the next few seconds (i.e. he does not attempt a dangerous play act by challenging an opponent), this player should be given the opportunity to take a shot on goal, or make a pass to a colleague.* *
Question 25b: If during a match, a player's boot comes off, and the player continues to play the ball (not just kicking it or just having a shot at goal) and therefore puts himself at risk of injury, what action should the Referee take?
Answer 25b:* The Referee has a duty of care towards the players, and must stop play if there is any danger to the player. This scenario is/was covered in separate parts of the 2007/2008 Laws of Associated Football.*
References: Additional Instructions and Guidelines for Referees in the 2007/2008 Law book (page 66):
"If a player loses his footwear accidentally, and immediately plays the ball and/or scores a goal, there is no infringement and the goal is awarded because he lost his footwear by accident."
It follows therefore, if the player continues to play on after immediately playing the ball, and the Referee believes that the misplaced boot poses a potential danger, he should stop play immediately .
Law 5, Powers and Duties of the Referee: "The Referee ensures that the players' equipment meets the requirements of Law 4".
Law 4, Players' Equipment: "A player must not use equipment or wear anything that is dangerous to himself or another player. The basic equipment of a player comprises of ..............footwear etc. The player leaves the field of play to correct his equipment. The player is only allowed to re-enter the field of play when the ball is out of play".*
Law 8 The Start and Restart of Play: Once play has been stopped, it should be restarted in accordance with Law 8.*
"A dropped ball is a way of restarting the match after a temporary stoppage that becomes necessary, while the ball is in play, for any reason not mentioned elsewhere in the Laws of the Game. The Referee drops the ball at the place where it was located when play was stopped".
The player has not committed any offence, hence the dropped ball restart. *
Further points to note: The player should not be allowed to continue indefinitely in a state of undress, as this is potentially dangerous to the player concerned. The Referee will have to make a judgment based on common sense, which will allow the game to flow if at all possible, but stop it immediately if there is any chance of potential danger to the player or to other players. The safety of players is paramount when making such decisions. In general, when a player needs to adjust his equipment, play need not be stopped. Referees will normally ask the player to adjust the defect whilst the game is continuing; there is no need for the player to leave the field of play to achieve this.* If the player has not yet adjusted his equipment, by the time that the ball next ceases to be in play, then he should be asked to leave the field of play to correct his equipment.*The player is only allowed to re-enter, after the Referee is satisfied that the defect has been corrected. Re-entry is only allowed when the ball is out of play.
(a) If the Referee needs to stop the game to issue a caution (for example, if the player refuses to adjust his equipment), then the match will be restarted with an indirect free kick from the place where the ball was located when play was stopped (see Law 4). By refusing to adjust his equipment, the player has committed the Law 12 caution offence of unsporting conduct in this example. Hence the indirect free kick restart.
(b) If play is stopped to issue a caution because the player disagrees with the Referee about the need to correct his equipment, then the match will be restarted with an indirect free kick from the place where the ball was located when play was stopped (see Law 4). By disagreeing with the Referee, the player has committed the Law 12 caution offence of dissent in this example. Hence the indirect free kick restart.
(c) If play is stopped because the Referee deems that the player who only has one boot on, has played in a dangerous manner by making an unprotected challenge to win the ball with an opponent, then play should be stopped; and restarted with an indirect free kick for dangerous play (in accordance with Law 12). In this example, it is the player with the missing boot that causes the dangerous play situation.
Also, the Premier League is ****.
Neil Pickup
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Was on the line/going inside which is good enough for my liking... it's a horrendous piece of defending so on principle I have no problem with it. It's also definitely not outside the box on a second viewing.
Hmm, C5's punditry is as bad as ITV. No disgrace in losing at home? For real?
Furball
Evil Scotsman
So was the referee correct or not?
TT Boy
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Manure has not been that outplayed at home well since Blackburn beat them at Christmas. When Evans is your best outfield player you know something went wrong. When has Ryan Giggs last played well in Europe, looked the old man he is tonight. Shame the ref kept Manure in the tie.
Love the Bilbao coach Bielsa. The cheap trainers and dodgy tracksuit make him even more endearing.
Love the Bilbao coach Bielsa. The cheap trainers and dodgy tracksuit make him even more endearing.
Maybe not got the stats you are looking for but ZonalMarking always worth a look.
442statszone has it all as well.
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